Fuel Pump Questions For X-Flow

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I noticed on my fuel pump that there is an extra fuel line connection that I suppose is used as a return of some sort. Looks like one suction and two outs. I don't have a place to run this extra line. Will the pump off of my US 250 interchange with the x-flow pump? Or what should I do with the extra output on this pump?
 
Please, please...try to use it if you can! The carb has a fuel and vapour bleed back facility, and it eliminates all hot fuel handling problems. If you block it off, it'll run rich, and it won't work as well. The great fuel economy streams from the working float level and fuel pressure being very low. The stock pump has over 6 psi of pressure, while the 50 thou bleadback restrictor reduces it to under 2 psi at times. Cool fuel is then always being circulated.

The pump is the same US Carter piece as the US 250 underneath.

The bleed back line is just like the one used on 1983 onwards carby 4-bbl 5.0 and 5.8 Mustangs and F150's.

To plumb a line is a pain, but Ford Oz, in all its wisdom, followed the US carby V8 practice.

Choice is yours.

Most guys think, hey, I'll just rip this darn junk off, and life will be sweet. Having done an '83 Alloy Head II 2-BBL Weber swap to my mates old '82 1-bbl Alloy Head ute without a return line, the Weber ADM 34 leaked like a sieve, ran rich, and suffered flooding problems.

The ute had no return line, and I had to grab some brake line, and re-run it to copy the stock '83 Ute.

The tanks used in post 1968 Cali or post 1972 Mustangs had an evaporative junction which you may be able to fit if you find it hard.

Anyone else here done it?


*I notice with interest Ford America used the very early non return line Holley Weber 5200 2-bbl. Aussies and Kiwis had similar non return line Webers on early 2.0 Pinto engined Cortinas. The early ones flooded and leaked and were thristy, the later ones with return lines were were much better. There was a serious recall issue. It's an issue with Weber carbs which, but the Pinto was already subject to under bonnet fire issues, so perhaps the American 2-bbls were engineered better.
 
Your comments make sense. With all the conversions that have been done someone else has surely run into this before. What have ya'll done? Any comments appreciated.
Dave
 
i pesonaly think those fuel pumps are crap.the eairly ones with the glass top flow more cfm and are serviceable unlike the ones with the twin outlet.over here in oz we can interchange any of them onto any motor so you should be able to do the same.all our speedway cars use the eairly glass top fuel pumps cause there better
 
Actually Sonny, if you trust factory specs, the XP fuel pump performed best.

Rebuild kits are a non-event in the US. The Oz pump needs a different arm to fit a US 170/200 block, as the cam sits further into the block.

I sent a glass bowl fuel pump and kit to Rancheroman, but don't know if he's had time yet to install it!

Regards, Adam.
 
From what your saying, it sounds like the two pumps are not interchangable. Based on that I guess the thing to do would be to drain the tank and weld on a fitting for mounting a return fuel line. Does anyone know what size tubing is generally used on the return fuel line? Also where on the tank should I come in with the return line?

In the interim, can I cap the return without effecting the pump?

Again you guys are a wealth of info and for that I am thankfull. Talk to you soon,
Dave
 
Hullo everybody,
With the return line idea for the fuel line.
Would it not be simpler to just route the return line to the nearest point.
What I am reffering to is to hook the carbie return line up to the fuel pump intake hose.
Didnt the 250 2V of years ago do this?
Would be easier than stringing a line all the way back to the tank?
Noel.
 
addo Adam said the Aussie Chrysler Centura and Sigma ( 77 on Dodge Colt Sapparo/Galant) used a plastic fuel filter with some kind of similar return line. I've not been able to find the part number, but it is worth a crack.

Noel, sounds like a better idea!


Speedy, sorry, I can't give you an alternative idea, but doing the least cost option like Backlash said or addo has suggested in the past, its gotta be better than shoving 6 psi into a carb designed for only 2 to 3 psi tops.

:hmmm: Very last option would be to block off the return line, and fit a pressure regulator only. Not a good idea.

My vote goes for Noels!
 
is the xp pump the same as the xy pump?if i havn't used 1 is probably because its not that easy to find an xp pump.but as far as i know the xy etc pump is good.
 
In response to the comments of species Dunedinus Stevensonii:
RYCO Filter Z102K

Sonny, the XP pump is the one with a spin-on steel canister top that is supposed to contain a filter element.

Regards, Adam.
 
Dave,
I also pondered what to do with the fuel return line on my Weber crossflow conversion to an older US vehicle. I am going to put a tee in the rubber fuel line at the tank outlet to the fuel pump. It will not be a true recirc, as the fuel will be returned quickly to the fuel pump. Does anyone see this option for the return line as a problem? The only other option is to drop the tank and have a new nozzle installed to accept the fuel return line.
On one of your earlier posts you were asking about three bolt starters. Any US Ford small six 144, 170, 200, pre 65 used the three bolt starter. I have one off my 170 in the shed if you want it. This was on a 4spd, so you would have to buy a new drive gear to match your C-4 flywheel.
David in Dayton, TX
 
HELLO TO ALL ,its been a while since ive dropped in and what a great subject . Ive got a new fuel pump on my 250 with the return line blocked off :oops: .I have had heaps of fuel related problems with my car when running a holley 2 or 4 barrell . Ive never checked on fuel pressure but have allways wondered if the new pump was a sorce of the worries. My first rebuilt engine suffered from bore wash from a over fueling carb .Im going to start my reringed rebuilt :x engine soon ,so ive got my hands on a z102k fuel filter.When i can lay my hands on a fuel pressure gauge ,i will do a before and after pressure check .Whats the correct fuel pressure on a 4 barrell holley supposed to be ? and X whats the go with running fuel pressure reg with out the return line ,does this put stress on the pump diaphragm ?

cheers Dave
 
Hey Dave, how's the lad? And the new job? S'pose I should ask after Mrs D as well...

The regulators with return line ARE better than the non-return. I skimped on one for a mate's truck, and it creeps at idle. Makes for hard adjusting of the pressure. There's a big price difference, though. Make that huge.

Summit have two non-creeping units that might suit (they have more, but I picked on these ones): Aeromotive non-return AEI-13205 also the Mallory return style MAA-4309. The generic Summit liquid (glycerine) filled pressure gauge is fine at about USD$17. You have to spend about AUD$350 on a summit order for it to be decent value in the freight etc, so it's a good excuse to stock up on Earl's etc.

Adam.
 
David Vizard (no relation to Alloy dave, but thanks for asking...) said that you can run a very short, large diameter line form the fuel regulator to the carb. Like, make the fuel reg right beside the carb if you can. Then screw it down to 2 psi or so. The creap wont be as large that way, since there is less volume to pressurise.

How's daddy hood? You must be treatin' mama good since you've been busy eekin out the new job and stuff. We haven't seen you!


Regards,

x
 
Gidday , Mum and Marcus are doin well and things are coming back to a
level closer to normality .The jobs good and goin well .We stock edelbrock and mallory so ive been checkin out regulators and bits and peices .Ive found a adaptor plate for placing holley or edelbrock carburators side ways on manifolds ,so im goin to try a 500 cfm vac sec edelbrock sideways on my 4 barrell manifold.This will get rid of the space problem with the carb hitting the strut tower.Plus check the fuel pressure
and add a regulator $$$$$$$ .The edelbrock carb manual says not to exceed 6.5 psi ,and i guess its the same for a holley.Thanks for the info on the fuel filter return line trick ....ill be back.

cheers Dave
 
Another Dave, new kid and new job. Been busy as well. New job has me in Boston. Hadn't checked in, in a while. Motor still sittin in the garage waiting to be dropped. Can't work on it 1800 miles away. New job will allow me to buy new speed parts though. Second to missing the wife and kid, I really need to get my hands dirty.
 
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