headers

[Anonymous]

I decided to go ahead and install headers as part of the first stage rebuild. Here is the question. I called Clifford and they only have Ceramic coated in stock. Is the extra $100.00 worth it? They tell me it will be 30 days before they have the painted avail. Do I have options other than Clifford. Also, Clifford stated that I can gain 3-4% horsepower gain by going dual out with a Y. Why would I not chose this option? any help is appreciated.

Bob

 

[Anonymous]

azconvertible,

I've never had the Ceramic coated headers, I found a set of headers at a swapmeet for $25.00 and used POR 20 high temp coating on them.
Here's one of your options:
http://www.fordsixparts.com/Headers
Another would be the Hooker Headers available through several auto parts retailers like Kragen, & Auto Zone

 

[66200i6]

I had ordered the single outlet from Clifford w/out the coating. I was able to find an outfit here in the Puget Sound area, Performance Coatings, to do the coating. I chose the the black to keep the heat in the header. This coating from PC was inside and out with a cost of approx. $180.

All that and I won't end up useing it. Once I get the ME head from Martin I will have to use the stock ME headers.

Find out from Clifford if you have a choice of coatings. If it doesn't matter to you the $100 sound like a good price.

Good luck on the rebuild, Ric.

 

[barishiman]

Jezzz, Clifford only has the coated ones in. That foils my plans to buying my header next week.

Are Hooker headers any better than Clifford? I just want a single out header so I can put my factory A/C back in. Does Hooker have a single out header or is it duel? ARG!!!


Andrew

 

[Anonymous]

check that header on ford six if I'm not mistaken it is already coated, just shipping is a bitch.

 

[AzCoupe]

I stock both coated and uncoated headers. All are dual out, but I also stock the Y pipe for single out. And my prices are lower.

I highly recommend the Jet-Hot coating, and yes, it is worth every penny.
http://www.jet-hot.com/pages/techinfo.html

Since you live in Scottsdale, shipping is not an issue. For the rest of you, shipping is not that expensive. Twenty to thirty bucks covers the entire continental US.

If you want, you can pick them up this weekend.

 

[Anonymous]

've never had the Ceramic coated headers, I found a set of headers at a swapmeet for $25.00 and used POR 20 high temp coating on them.

66200I6

I was thinking about using the POR on mine. Has it held up well for you? Just got my pacemaker's last week and have scratched them up pretty good already test fitting. Was looking at their products this morning. http://www.por-guys.com/catalog/HiTemp.html

Thanks,
Don

 

[CZLN6]

Howdy back Bob:

Dual outlet headers would only have that performance advantage at higher RPMs and only if an engine were built and tuned to use a higher rpm range.

The down side is that two mufflers and tail pipes add expense, weight and maintainance. It might be worth it if you're spending alot of time racing.

The Y pipe from AZMike adds the best of both.

The ceramic coating is definately worth the $100. It improves looks, but more importantly, the header will last alot longer. I spent a bit more for HPC coating. The paint that they come with is crap. You'd be better off with out it because you'll have to strip it to put on something else.

If I were in your shoes I'd hook up with AZMike.

Adios, David

 

[barishiman]

CZLN6,

Are you saying that the Clifford ceramic coating is crap or just their paint job on the headers? If the Clifford ceramic coating is worth the extra $100, I'm calling them up. So does anybody have a Clifford coated header out there and is their coating any good?

I"m looking into buying a header next week or so either from Clifford or Hooker($$$). Getting a coated Clifford is about the same price as a non-coated Hooker header. I'm still debating but Clifford is in the lead for me so far. I just bought their port divider last night so I can put my head back on the block.


Andrew

 

[ruckus68]

what czln6 was refering to was the painted header (non ceramic coated) which burns off very quickly. you are better off getting a jet coated header.
Cheers
John

I myself went with azcoups header which looks to be way better quality, I haven't installed it yet cause i am getting it ceramic coated first.

BTW i have a New, never been used, black painted, clifford dual outlet header for sale $150 as well as a new weber 38/38 DGES with electric choke $250

John

 

[66200i6]

I didn't coat mine with Por15. I had a ceramic coating added later.

If I were to do it again I would get a set from Mike (AzCoupe). Get a set of Coated dual outlet with the “two into oneâ€￾ transition. That type of setup will provide excellent low and mid range operation. Plus, it’s cheaper.

Good luck, Ric.

 

[Anonymous]

i totaly agree if i didnyt have a me head nad was to get headers id get a set from mike (azcoupe) think i spelt it right i hope dont kill me but yes his are very nice and aho heck of a lot cheaper

 

[gtm1086]

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I just picked up a jet coated pacemaker header from Mike "AZ Coupe" Very very nice. Good price and a very high quality part. Now I just have to find the time to install it. Check out his web site. fordsixparts.com

Gary

 

[barishiman]

AzCoupe,

I read your article about having A/C with your headers. I have the stock compressor mounting bracket that also holds the alternator.

1. There is a support beam that bolts into the engine block (which you probably know this), but would that beam interfere with the header?

2. Also the bracket hugs the engine block so would the bracket have to be moved outward 1 & 1/4 in like what you did for your Classic Auto Air set up?


My compressor was bad when I purchased the car so its no use to me now but I want to re-install my factory A/C. If I can put the A/C back in and use a aftermarket compressor then I'll be happy. I would order a header from you than from Clifford. Save me some money and do you some business. If I can do dual out headers and A/C, you can count me in to buy a header in two weeks or so. I already have a Paypal account so I could do that for the transaction. I hope your faster than Clifford in the delivering department. It is going to take Clifford two weeks to send me the exhaust port divider. Jezzzzzz, I guess I have to find something to do until then.


Andrew

 

[AzCoupe]

Andrew,

No matter which header you go with, the A/C bracket will need to be modified for clearance. Since mine is the aftermarket and your is stock, they are different. But I saw a set of headers installed on a 65 coupe with the stock setup. IIRC the bracket mounting points to the block were fine. The clearance between the compressor and the header is where the problem lies. They took the bracket, which had and "L" shape to it, flattened it out, moved the compressor outward, and drilled new holes to mount the compressor to the bracket. It is kind of a balancing act as the battery will be in the way if the compressor is move outward to much.

Thanks for all the referals and recomendations guys.

 

[AzCoupe]

I just found out from one of the members that the headers will not clear the big bell starter and tranny. I'll have to see if Pacemaker makes a different model number for them.

 

[Anonymous]

hi Mike
do you call for the same part # for a 200 vs a 250 ?
was hopeing to set a 250 in than build a big bell and use the same exsaust
but maybe i need to rethink that

 

[xctasy]

There is aproximately a 55 degree difference between the two starter postions. Time to invest in a new "AzHeader".

In Australia, there were no low-mount big bell 200/3.3's, and any C4 auto used the high mount starter. Pacemaker don't make a header to suit the low mount starter, as far as I'm aware.

There were only three bodies the I6's went into.

a)Low deck 144-221 Aussie Falcons from 1961 to 1970, (XK,XL,XM,XP,XR,XT, XW) which were designed for 7.808 to 8.425" block heights, and the best candiates.

b)Tall deck 200-250 Aussie Falcons from 1970 to 1976 1/2 (XY-XA-XB) and Aussie Six cylinder Cortinas 1972 to 1976 1/2 (TC, TD)

c) Possibly some 250's got into early Aussie assembled Bronco/F250 trucks, but there are not likely to be any headers for these. (After 1979/80 oil shocks, these cars got cross flow sixes as standard, and 351C's as an option).

I think the Aussie I6's with the earlier pre 1968 to 1973 Top Loader 4-speed had the high mount starter.

Addo, Aussie7Mains, Discokin6, out to the Aussies. I'm just a nosey Kiwi!

 

[Anonymous]

63Comet has informed me the Clifford dual outlet will work with the big bell. AzCoupe has kindly offered to take back my Pacemaker. He is a great guy to do business with, also bought my OZ 2V head from him. It's a bummer as we are getting close.

Finished up the brakes and bled them today.

Decided to use the Lokar stuff to hook everything up. Some of it has come in and I am impressed with the quality. Installed the Lokar transmission dipstick and it is a nice peice.

Don

 

[AzCoupe]

Don, did you take any pics when attempting the install? If so, could you either post them or send them to me via e-mail. I will talk to Pacemaker to see if they will modify the next batch being shipped over so that I can stock headers for both applications. They were very accomodating when it came to making the mods required to fit the US blocks, so this shouldn't present a problem either. From what you explaind to me, it sounds like a very simple task, if I understood you correctly. Thanks.