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Lets get some new life into the forum anyone with any ideas, thoughts or comments on 6s. Come on guys hasnt moved much here for a while.

Proverb: "In the counsel of many advisors victory is made certain".

Id like to see the Forum used as a melting pot for new ideas etc, etc?
Anyone?


Cheers Tim
 
I can't say too much because you guys will build killer sixes before I do!

The key thing is to forget entirely about electronics and OHC's and DOHC's and factory turbos for the next five years. Everyone is trying to get the buts out of X-riger Blackwoods, and the best thing to do is avoid EA to AU's until the electronic industry gives customers what they want. I don't see any of that at present.


The best opertunities are the reworked Propane bomb!

The first thing is to get any good condition XD, E, or F. Don't deviate fro the stock discs/drum or disc/disc set=ups unless you need to for registration purposes, Forget complicated aftermarket systems, just rework the stoc set-up. Look at the maintenace, and get repaceement parts that are the same as the orginals. Don't scalpal the old Falcons becasue the cheapest part is the stock one.


If it is 3.3, get a 4.1 crank. If it is EFI, lay asside the EFI, and revert to carb, but keep the EFI gear..Get three Impco CA 125 or LPF 150 forklift carbs on it by adding two outer 1.75" flanges to the stock XD log type intake manifold.

Use two L-series converters, and keep the air con, power steering, and the stock auto shifter, if it has one. Most did.

Then add a cam which emulates the AU XR6 VVT cam for lift and duration. Stick with a wide lobe centre. Get carbon fibre pushrods and adjustable Phase 3 style 7/16" rocker posts with posilocks, and 1.8:1 ratio rockers. Forget roller tips unless you get a good price, or can't get the 1.8 ratio without it.

Redo the valves to DYNOED250 style Clevleland stainless items cut down to 1.96" Do basic port cleaning, but leave a good guide, a good seating margin, and foeget about the rest.

Then add an Anti Detonation Igniton (ADI) system using 49% methonal and 49% water, , 1% acetone, and a small spike of ethel methal ketone to stop bugs and particulates forming. Use the stock six port nitrous fogger nozels, and have the auxilary ciruit which is used for nitrous as the ADI cicuit on the street. The best option is to take the stock XF intake gasket and make a 19 mm alloy adaptor which allows the nitrous nozzles to fit at the same position the EFI injectors would sit. You can cut the pre EFI heads to fit the pocket that EFI engines had. This allows the nitrous, ADI, and fuel hit the back of the intake valve and cool it. That way, anytime you have to drive on the street, you can delete the nitrous circuit, and ensure the whollapers never t get you for illegal nitrous use on the street.


The pistons need to be Nismo 4.0 items, which are Subaru blanks made to the 3.612" Falcon turbo size, but forged. Then bore out the block to D-series Fod liner size, about 3.726" fomr memory, then sleave the block, and you can use all sorts of cheap high grade iron liners from anything from an early D-series Ford truck, to a Pug deisel or custom drillers pipe. Use the aftermarket 6.1" Chevy conrods. Dont mess about with anything else.

Then add an absolutely ugly J-tube on the stock cast iron header, and rig up a big tractor or truck T04.

Then build it to a low C/R or 7.5:1, and add the nitrous bottle only off the street.

There is no intercooler, and peak boost is 9 pounds, no more.

Rework a stock igniton unit with an external control module whic is tayloered to suit a 25 degree total advance under nitrous, 30 under just the turbo, and a stock 9 degree intial lead at 800 to 1200 rpm.

The XF knock sensor locked out totlal advance under some situations, so it s possible to make a set-up like this. Stick with the stock ingnito cap and body. If its XF, rework the external EST module by getting a good aftermarket unit which you can replace if it goes dead. Solid state ingition inits are failing, and car makers get payed crap loads in premiums. Telstar V6 systems are up to the 700 dollar mark, so spend on only a set-up which allows the correct advnace curve. XE systmes are the best, but don't ditch the stock unit, rework the controller.

The trick is to use the water, methonal, and LPG to create a low boost, high power engine that never has do do more than 5800 rpm, and only needs less than 5500 at the drags.


Despite the fact that a lot of my bablings look complicated, this one isn't. The car stays stock.

Only other changes are a mandatory Chevy or Ford 4-stage over drive trans, and a good aftermarket set of axles and diff gears. A set of 3.7 or 3.9 or 4.11's would do the job if you used some bigger rear tyres.

The trick here is that a stock 4.1 emulates an AU XR6, and could get about 200 hp with the triple carbs, piston and cam and head modes alone if it had 10:1 compression.

The turbo wouldn't give more than 280 hp on the engine on the street without the ADI, but on the track, you can boost it up to 9 psi with the nitrous, and get over 500 hp. The 280 hp isn't ruinied by having to drag 1.8 tonnes around like the BA's do. 280 hp with a 1390 to 1525 kg XD-XF would be fine for 1.4.7 second quarters if done right.
 
Tthats a well thought out system.
Carbon fibre rods! I would have thought that they would shatter since theyd be so stiff, or have they been treated somehow?
I would have thought that LPG would have allowed for more boost or compression that that. I wanted to run 10psi with about 8.5:1 compression.
 
A comapny called Windsor marketed carbon fibre pushrods... involving special multi-composite, polymer and carbon fibre materials.

See ...http://www.aptfast.com/APT_Parts/Books/Book_Info/B-01_info.htm

Chapter 11 focuses on it in the orginal book.

They were used by David Vizard in 1988 on some of his A-series APT engines.

No website details.

I did some testing of graphite carbon fibre pushrods back in 1997 for a homebuilt aircraft when I was working at the lab. It is very strong if the bearing surc=faces are encapsulated in steel collars, and the standard rod ends are used. Keep it clear from being rubbed by the pushrod galleries,and it should work very well.

The trick with them is that they have a reject rate, and must be pretested on a special dedicated engine cam/lifter valve gig which opperates at the same temperature and loadings that they are likely to see in service. David Vizard has a easy solution. By an extra couple of pushrods, and use them. Whenthey break, no metal fragments go through the engine, and they dull out noise and vibration.

The benefit is that the huge amout of lost motion due to pushrod flex is removed by virtue of the extreme stiffness of the carbon.

Why do you think GM used the ingition system linked to the valve gear on the Gen III (LS1 on) engines. The huge ammount of lost motion from cam turn to valve movement!

The Windsor carbon fibre rods are not hollow, so only the early log and 2V's can run them. They use the non oil through rocker lubrication. Cross flows can't use it unless a proper oil delivery system is used. Canted valve engines can run solid carbon fibre pushrods, but the valves must be lubricated in the same manner as before the addition of oil. Old Boss Mustangs broke valves and springs when stangled of oil. Solution is to use a spray bar like on the Pinto, early log, and A-series Mini engines.

With these pushrods, the lost motion allows a lifter ramp rate close to OHC engines, without the load stress.

When Ray Spence or whoever at Crow grinds up his Ford OHV cams, he allows for the long pushrod flex in the cam rate. OHC engines have virtually none.
 
I would like to assist by uploading my burouts to motivate people...but it makes it difficult if you cannot host the files.
Other forums allow you to upload directly in to the forum server thus making it easy to share pictures and files.

I may be wrong :oops: Is it possible to upload directly to this forum??

Cheers
 
Big Al, Speedy, KaStangs web site, and other members have helped out in the past, and it's a big buzz.

I haven't been able to because I didn't send my donation to photo bucket yet. I've also got some technical papers to send to Tim and Seattle Smitty, and a few guys to send stuff to. I'm bad at keeping appiontments quickly.

But George, any dude who uses pewter mug on a turbo and six coil over valve ignition systems like you do deserves a good break.

if you email me at fordsrfrauds@paradise.net.nz, I'll post them.
 
Thanks for that but hey watch the pedestrians!
What do you have in it? Do you realise that if you get a smaller engine then your tyres might stay in contact with the road for longer? All that skidding must be very frustrating when you are just going down to the corner store to get some milk and a newspaper.

Cheers Tim
 
Too much wheelspin can never be a problem :lol:

The junk ended up running 11.8 at calder tonight :D

This was an industrial area on a sunday..no pedestrians, just observers :lol:

cheers
 
HELLO...............HELLO...................(tumble weeds rolls across the street, ) Sure is quiet round here.......too quiet ,somthin aint rite.......junior get my gun.... theres gunna be truble :roll: .


Sorry nothing to report from me in Auckland NZ, all quiet on the Family front.Falcon sits in the garage and waits for me, my money and some time.

Hope all well in the lands of six.

Dave
 
George
Tell you what Id really like to see. That camera set up in the passenger seat over the quarter mile.
 
Hey was the 11.8 a 1\8 mile time or were you just messing around? Or are you one of the lucky ones who can actually run a 11.8 quarter? Nice burnout too.
 
i think you mean george has a corty x, but, im sure with councelling he will learn to forgive you hehe

george, again, im impressed!!!!!!!! who made ya exhaust manifold??
 
hi,
the exhaust manifold was made back in 92..I had it on my XE falcon.

Most of the items are home made specials with no theoretical background.

Slap it all together and shill be right..i say.

I would highly recomend turbocharging a 250 for any car...they love it!!

Cheers
 
George, is there a webpage or something I can go to to find out more about your car\engine setup. Needless to say I'm very impressed and so would be many others. In about six months time I am thinking of turboing the cortina. It seems like the engines respond well to them. Just a basic T03 setup making about 170-200kw. Btw, are you running a T04?
 
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