Hot starter with the FSPP header?

[TheDude]

*1968 200ci I6, C4 Transmission, FSPP Pacemaker dual outlet header*

It seems like my car does not want to start after it has reached operating temperature. I noticed that the FSPP header #1 collector is right above the starter, almost touching it. It makes sense that the starter gets too hot, then does not want to start, causing me humiliation when I go to the gas station, pump my gas, then cannot start the car.

It also caused me to buy a new starter, almost go insane trying to install it, and pull out the transmission dipstick to far and spill ATF all over. After that, it starts right up but makes a weird noise. No good...I am going to install the old one.

I just wanted to know if anyone else has had this overheating problem with their starter. Where can I get a quality heat shield?

Does anyone recall my poor acceleration problems? I put my vacuum guage to use and the results say engine vacuum is good. Where do I look next?

Thanks,

Justin

 

[hasa68mustang]

Well since it seems as if our cars are near identical I suppose I could just say that I dont have this problem... but I usually dont drive that far... I usually drive to work a mile or so away, or goto school which is a good 10 miles but I have never tryed restarting my car... but I did drive to the big M sign and got out and came back to the car and it wouldnt start, turned out to be the neutral saftey switch, which isnt your problem...

 

[wsa111]

Justin, get some aluminized heat reflecting material from summit or jegs & cut a piece to wrap around the starter & either hold it with big hose clamps & bond it to the starter using high-temp rtv.
Another option is make a sheet metal shield to bolt to the starter to shield it from the direct heat from the header.
I hope you got the ceramic coated headers cause they radiate way less heat than un coated headers.
Another option get one of mini starter which have an adjustable position range & with the nippondenso mini starter will not be so close to the header. Keep it cool. William

 

[TheDude]

Justin, get some aluminized heat reflecting material from summit or jegs & cut a piece to wrap around the starter & either hold it with big hose clamps & bond it to the starter using high-temp rtv.
Another option is make a sheet metal shield to bolt to the starter to shield it from the direct heat from the header.
I hope you got the ceramic coated headers cause they radiate way less heat than un coated headers.
Another option get one of mini starter which have an adjustable position range & with the nippondenso mini starter will not be so close to the header. Keep it cool. William

Thanks William. I will get some sheet metal and fabricate a shield. Yet another project to keep this poor car off the road. :roll:

 

[TheDude]

I put the old starter in and it started with no problems. I shut the car down after 10 minutes and tried to restart it a few minutes later. Nothing at all. I will return the remanufactured starter and make a heat shield for the old starter. And yes, my header is ceramic coated.

 

[Anlushac11]

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My 80 and 81 Mustangs I6's dont have a tight a clearance as you ahve and both my cars came factory with a stamped aluminum heatshields to protect the starter's.

 

[Stubby]

A heat sheild should help but your old starter may not have much life left.
As for the new starter making a noise, I have seen alot of reman starters with wear where it locates in the plate. Sometimes starters get loose and get worn by the thin steel plate then they do not locate properly. Always inspect this area and compare the length.

 

[chandler]

Thats interesting my I have uncoated pacemaker dual outs and she fires right up even after sitting for a few minutes, I replaced the starter right before the headers went it...I got sick of someone saying nice car then going to fire it up and getting the nice grinding noise.

 

[gtm1086]

While the header maybe warming up the starter more than the old exhaust did. It's just bringing out the fact that your starter is tired. Go get a new starter and all should be good. You can build a heat shield if you feel it is needed. But I think the new starter will take care of the hot start issue.

 

[CobraSix]

I have an old starter and ceramic headers...no issues. But I agree with the above, I suspect your start was on it's last legs and the head just made it more obvious.

Slade

 

[Fred]

Heat = more resistance with electricity. Make sure your battery cables are in good condition. I replaced mine with one gauge and the starter spins a lot faster.

 

[Anonymous]

I had a similar hot-start problem a few years ago. My problem was finally solved by correctly wiring my pertronix ignitor by bypassing the pink resistor wire. Boy did that take a long time to figure out.

I can't remember if the engine turned over, I think it did but its been a couple years. I think it turned over and just wouldn't catch but I wouldn't swear to it.

-Dan in Atlanta

 

[Russ]

I've got the FSPP dual out header and haven't had any starter trouble with my '66 .. no heat shield either.