how about a debate on indexing plugs??

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now what is the benifits of indexing my plugs (i think i under stand but..)
procedure and products used and vendor purchased from?
seems aweful easy but is it recomended and is there any real benifits
 
The term spark is a misnomer. The plugs provide inonising plasma which results in the expansion of the fuel mix in the air. Putting the c section in the right spot allows the flame travell to be the same in each cylinder, with a minimum of shrouding.

The indexing must ensure the plugs c setion points to the exhast valve. Mark the plug with a ink mark and torque the plug up to spec with the engine cold. If its off a degree or two, its fine. If its out by more, then get some steel shims made up.

The pitch of the plug is in metrics becasue Robert Bosch did the patents on plugs. You just have to find the right thickness washer to alow the plug to park in the right spot. The mark on the plug must point to the correct spark plug for the chamber.

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Have fun!
 
Do you think that shimming the plug could, by moving the tip away from the center of the combustion chamber, negate any benefit realized from indexing?
 
HI
From what I have see indexing is a good thing to do If you are looking for say .01 or so of a second in drag racing. Thats about all it well give ya may be .10. and its a lot of work finding the right shim to make the plug point the right way..
tim
 
I've never seen shims for tapered seat spark plugs.

The only option is to buy 20-30 plugs and try them until you find the best matches.... hardly a worthwhile use of time for any streetgoing engine.
 
Howdy 63merc and all:

Here's an idea, why don't you try it, do some testing and see if it makes a difference for you. Start by assessing your current start up, idle quality, WOT performance and mileage. You old set of plugs will tell you alot about your engines condition and state of tune. Note the current orientation of the gap of each plug as you remove them for comparison. Plug indexing is only useful if all components of the system are in tip-top condition and tuning is optimized.

The theory is that indexing exposes the spark kernal to the incoming charge and offers an unshrouded path, for a more complete, consistent flame front and burn. Other factors that play a role in the effectiveness of indexing are quench, compression, bore diameter, plug gap and tip reach, type of plug tip

I index for several reasons; consistency from cylinder to cylinder, fastidious nature, and somewhat OCD. I buy several extra plugs at changing time, mark each and, through trial and trial, find a plug for each cylinder that has the mark in the up position. I try to keep the mark between the 10 and 2 position- That's close enough for me. I don't like the washer system of finding the correct orientation for several reasons.

I've come to these conclusions through testing. Once the optimum gap was found, initial advance set and plug heat range determined, I do a series of tests. The start and idle are very subjective, and I notice little, if any difference due to indexing. Mileage may be a slight increase. It is most evident in longer mileage tests, but conditions change more over a longer time period and it is harder to control variables. The most objective analysis is in a series of WOT timed tests from 40 mph to 60 mph. I use a stop watch and a tape recorder so I can pay attention to driving and traffic. I transcribe the tape later. Again, indexing makes a slight, but consistent, quantifiable increase in performance. A tach could be used, but practice to get consisent, reliable results in needed. For comparisons, make sure that as many variables as possible are consistent.

If you start the comparison with the plugs you've got to establish a baseline and then test with a set of new plugs, you will be comparing apples to oranges. Simply changing to new plugs will likely show improvements in all areas, whether you index or not. You might start by relocating the plugs you've got to a different cylinder for a more upright orientation, then compare.

Adding an additional 5lbs of air to all 4 tires made a more evident improvement in WOT performance and took alot less time and effort. Do not exceed the max PSI rating on the side of the tires, for very long.

I am very reluctant to report data because everyone's situation is so different. Replication is unlikely. And, I very aware of the Hawthorne Effect.

Spark plug indexing, for most street engines, is in the category of "Gnat's Eyelashes". It won't make much difference, but I know it's there. It's free and relatively easy to do.

That's my two cents, for what it's worth.

Adios, David
 
WoW nice comments i will think on it tonight whilst i am installing plugs carefully, balljoints and such
thanks much all
 
I have been indexing for nearly 20 years. It is simple enough to apply the process that David outlined marking the plug. Now that I’m older I pick and chose what I think is important to remember. All I remember is that since I continue the practice I must have decided it makes enough of a difference to continue.

So, yea, just what David said.

Have fun, Ric.
 
CZLN6":3hnqn9hi said:
.... find a plug for each cylinder that has the mark in the up position. I try to keep the mark between the 10 and 2 position...Adios,David

Ok, since I am sorta dense, do you put the mark on the side electrode? Do we want the OPEN part of the gap facing down?
Joe
 
Hwody Back:

I mark the insulator on the gap side of the plug. I want the mark and the gap facing out, into the chamber.

Adios, David
 
I index the plugs on the FF; 5 HP can cover half the grid, so i'm not leaving anything on the table. I make sure the gap is somewhere between the valves.

On street vehicle, it's not worth the time and effort
 
I used to bother with indexing the plugs in my civic that I used for autocrossing. It seemed to make a seat of the pants difference. Keep in mind that this was a 1.5 liter that was making like 130 hp, up from 93 stock, so pretty highly tuned for street car and thus very sensitive to any change. It was easy, cheap, and only took a few extra minutes when doing a pre-race tune, so why not do it.
 
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