If accessories could kill… MPG

We use all SI units totally, so joules, watts, etcetc, its much simpler to go from joules to watts. When i did the dyno work of course we only work in NM and Kw, all appliances and HVAC units are rated in Kw. I only have single phase power at my home, but the feed in fuses are rated at 100a, so there is plenty available. My previous home in Western Australia had a 3 phase feed to serve a large A?C unit that was ducted to do the whole home. It also had a 3 phase bore pump for the lawns. Most modern homes here only have single phase. I have a 4kw solar system split into two sets of panels on facing ne, and one sw, I have seen 5kw from this on a couple of occasions, but generally i get 2.5 or so. Ive averaged 10kw/h per day over the 8 years its been installed. About 27% of homes in Australia have rooftop solar, one of the worlds highest per capita uptakes, and rising quite rapidly now that power is in the range of 40c/kwh. Some outback towns have diesel fired generators still, but thats soon to go fully renewables. We have gone far of the original track, I hope thats Ok, its interesting stuff IMO.
 
We use all SI units totally, so joules, watts, etcetc, its much simpler to go from joules to watts. When i did the dyno work of course we only work in NM and Kw, all appliances and HVAC units are rated in Kw. I only have single phase power at my home, but the feed in fuses are rated at 100a, so there is plenty available. My previous home in Western Australia had a 3 phase feed to serve a large A?C unit that was ducted to do the whole home. It also had a 3 phase bore pump for the lawns. Most modern homes here only have single phase. I have a 4kw solar system split into two sets of panels on facing ne, and one sw, I have seen 5kw from this on a couple of occasions, but generally i get 2.5 or so. Ive averaged 10kw/h per day over the 8 years its been installed. About 27% of homes in Australia have rooftop solar, one of the worlds highest per capita uptakes, and rising quite rapidly now that power is in the range of 40c/kwh. Some outback towns have diesel fired generators still, but thats soon to go fully renewables. We have gone far of the original track, I hope thats Ok, its interesting stuff IMO.
It is good stuff, and not off topic, which was efficiency and parasitic loss. The electric grid and it's design is as important to us as locomotion, if not more so. I'm amazed at the careless take-it-for-granted mentality of . . well, nearly everybody, over the incredible blessing the supply of steady electric power is, and the machines that generate it, and the people who provide it 24/7.
 
It is good stuff, and not off topic, which was efficiency and parasitic loss. The electric grid and it's design is as important to us as locomotion, if not more so. I'm amazed at the careless take-it-for-granted mentality of . . well, nearly everybody, over the incredible blessing the supply of steady electric power is, and the machines that generate it, and the people who provide it 24/7.
An utility EE relative of mine once gave me this pearl of wisdom:
"Everybody complains about the Power Company until they have to BE the power company.”

A situation I find myself in regularly once or twice a year. Usually in the worst possible pipe-bursting weather.
 
Automatic trans these days are more efficient and some even surpass manual trans (or so they say)...
There is no way the intrinsic mechanical efficiency can be be superior to a manual; modern automatics can beat manual transmissions on gas mileage by utilizing superior shift controls that keep the engine in the best economy range, something that is extremely difficult to accomplish manually.
 
... If you were really serious about economy you would be driving a manual trans 1000kg vehicle with a small diesel, and no AC. The pommes are masters at this.
Yup.
The same concept applies to electric cars; if they were really serious about 'saving the environment' we would see them building basic transportation EV's, not the super-duper high performance overpriced non-renewable junk jam-packed with whistles and bells being foisted upon the unwitting populace.
 
Nikola Tesla developed alternating current (AC) which was in the late 19th century, he invented 3-phase 240V AC. His concept was to combine three phases of power to account for voltage fluctuations. By Tesla's calculations and testing, 60 cycles per second was the most efficient power supply frequency. Also at that time there was also the Big Battle over the type of power that was going to be used for the first Power Grids and which would be the best. Mainly this was by Tesla and Edison over using Tesla’s AC power or Edison’s DC power. Edison tried to show that AC was much more dangerous using up to 750 volts to publicly electrocute many animals from Dogs and Cats to even a Horse and Elephant. In the end Tesla’s AC system won by being far more efficient in transmitting power longer distances without having as much Voltage losses. However Tesla also did compromise some to lower the Voltage to 110 volts and 60Hz to work with the existing 110 volt Edison devices that were being made as well as for safety. Europe even started out by mirroring this original US standard of 110V/60 Hz., however after World War II, they switched over to the 220V/50 Hz, even though their higher power at the lower 50 Hz. frequency is up to 20 times less efficient, I have always wondered why they did that. Our current 120 volt / 60Hz. Standard was set back in in 1967.

The DC line carrying a million volts from The Dalles Oregon to Los Angeles somewhat validates Tesla's theory.
 
How about switching to an electric fan to avoid the parasitic loss there?
Parasitic losses are the enemy for any type of fan system. OEMs initially went to electric only for ability to use transverse engines, as e-fan costs were high. What they found was a greater ability to manipulate operation to fight parasitic losses, than the shrouds, belts and clutches of mechanical fans.

The net result was generally greater fan air flow with mechanical along with somewhat greater parasitic losses, and only a clutch to engage when it was hot in order to increase efficiency. Many HD applications such as trucks still use mechanical today for the relatively high power for flow available. This went a long way, but electric operation could be manipulated further for greater gains, beneficial to economy and emissions regulations. E-fans became an OEM tool to meet regulations, more-so than a way to effectively cool engines. But now we can benefit from both ends of that knowledge spectrum to meet our cooling requirements, as our primary concern.

To balance this for each our own goals of cooling, efficiency, cost, etc, we need to understand the pros and cons of each system. The is no "X is always better" answer. To compound this issue, information and design are complex when creating a "new" cooling system, and the "tuning" of that system to get what we want - making success a bit harder to reach reliably. Just a belt-drive fan doesn't mean optimal cooling, and just an e-fan doesn't mean improved economy. If you want to change from what you have, you should know why and how to get there… to get there. It's not difficult, but takes more than a credit card to do it well.
 
So i learned something new today. I have had my AC turned off since the summer when i figured it was killing 5mpg for me. Well even with my AC off, the clutch went out on me which makes me think either the “brand new” ac compressor was starting to lock up or the clutch itself just went bad. Im leaning to a bad install on the compressor. Ive seen AC eat up 2-3 mpg at most but not 5. But yea didnt know the ac clutch/compressor can go out even if youre not using it. Took me about 4 trips to the parts store to find a belt good enough to bypass the ac. Magic number was 88 1/8”. 88” even probably would have been better but im done running back and forward for just a little bit better results. I guess ill see if my economy picks up even more from here.
 
So i learned something new today.. Took me about 4 trips to the parts store to find a belt good enough to bypass the ac. Magic number was 88 1/8”. 88” even probably would have been better but im done running back and forward for just a little bit better results. I guess ill see if my economy picks up even more from here.
sounds like me (opposite seasons) w/the plow belt.
I have 1 for the 3 seasons, nother for sno plow timea da yr. Today
w/the climate emergency I might have it on even less time (went from 1/2’n 1/2
to 3, 4 mo. I could almost go just Feb now...) But keepin that 1 aside reduces the stuff
on my return shelf @ garage (prts guys dont like to make out the return slips but I need the $ back).
 
I have been wondering driving around with a weak battery might cause it to continuously draw amps and never really get charged.. maybe that wastes fuel?

also if you go and drop in a fully charged ( new) battery and then compare mileage, well its likely "full" already? maybe its more realistic once things come to a state of equilibrium?
 
“...never really get charged.. maybe that wastes fuel?..."
no, ele system not related to fuel consumption in this way.
At lest 2 ele systems in the vehicles:
1) charge - alternator, regulator (if not internal to alt) battery...
2) ignition - coil, dizzy, spark-a-lators, plug wires, ign switch...
So0Oh...
In #1): W/o a charge (its either ‘on' or ‘off’) no fuel will be consumed. A faulty spark (weak, low powered, erratic) can not ‘burn’ gas ‘inefficiently'
AND
In #2) if Mr Sparky visits the spark-a-lators they fire. If he doesnt have enuff strength he cant get oudda his chair to come visit...

“...well its likely "full" already? maybe its more realistic once things come to a state of equilibrium?..."
sorry, not following ur line of thought here... can U say more? Now I must admit... the automotive ele system is my worse knowledge/skill.
I think of it as (wires) a pipe(line). Ele ‘pressure’ is measured as volts (“can go further”). Amps R the amount flowing (like gal/min ina pipe). Ohms are the resistance or volts divided by amps but I dont wanna get ahead of myself. U no what? This fella helped me see some light: go fast for less dot com. Visit his site like U should have here (more for mechanical. Its at the blue horrizontal line top of ur page above “Tech Archive”).

Now looking back I see I’ve simplified too much. #1 - you CAN have some 1/2 ways BUT its on or off @ 13.2, 13.4 v for ur car to run. But amps R what starts the car (U may C “cold cranking amps” on ur batterie's label). HTH~
 
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The DC line carrying a million volts from The Dalles Oregon to Los Angeles somewhat validates Tesla's theory.
I have an old radio here, it is rated for 25 or 60 cycle power and was made in Canada circa 1939 It is common for me to find AC radios from Canada and the usa of around this vintage that are rated as such.

so yes 25 cycle power was used this side of the pond but 60 cycle took over.

the obvious difference in these radios is the transformer is about twice as heavy, its massive compared to a 60 cycle one.
The copper used and the pure iron of transformers have a cost to manufacture.
Now many products are using electronic power supplies, again to save materials.
often machiery with motors comes now with a variable speed control, and its often toted as a "nice feature" but what the buyers don't often realize is that older equipment had standard NEMA mounting standards , but now much of it is simply proprietary. now any equipment failure requires a proprietary motor and a proprietary motor control board. I see it in machienry but it also true for your home furnace or washing machine. the motor became proprietary.

in terms of efficiency , well think how long the washing machine or stove would typically last , in the 70's they had no electronics and woudl typically last 30 years. failures were sometimes belts bearings seals, there were no electronic failures, other than maybe a timer switch.

modernizatioin mean we are now throwing away appliances after about 10 years.
samsung and others build washers using pot metal part, ( the spider) fully knowing the parts will become destroyed by electrolysis reaction with the stainless steel drum , this is a good example of engieered obsolescence, our landfill are full of obsolete machines like that that were built intentioally to an inferipor quality , with full intent to fail, to sell more of them.

the problems are rampant throughout manufacuring sectors, its extremely wasteful.. we know how to build a washer in 1970 that would last a generation. and no your stove didn't need a printed circuit board. now even my coffee pot does. The maytag man didn't make any money.

a typical samsung washing machien is 1000 dollars.

technology is great but to improve efficiancy, standardization is essential and engieered obsolescence is avery wasteful practice.. it makes money for manufacturers, it hurts consumers, and the environment. and we are all victims of it.

fast fashion doesnt; need to be a part of our consumer product cycle, but it is. look at all the shiney cars, every one different. Personally I dotn care what it looks like so much, I just wish it could be fixed. I wish it would last. a lot of manufacturers dotn even relaease service data, forcing the consumer to the dealer.

Honda ceases production of proprietary auto parts after only 10 years. limiting repair parts is a strategy,

just imagine what could be done to decrese manufacturing smf dconsumer waste if technology was used to make things more easily repairable and to provide parts for longer durations.

It could slow the manufacturing sector and reduce consumer costs and waste dramatically. The only reason technology isn't used to the advantage of the consumer or the environment is because of corporate greed. corporations ise a basis of profit analysis strategy to make decisions , not common sense.

our society is extremely wasteful why because it drives the corporate strategy. manufacturing more means more corporate profit.

even my coffee pot is obsilete, I broke the pot, not the glass the cheap plastic handle broke off,, I fixed it with tie wraps.
think its worth changing the switch? forget it throw it in the garbage , the switch is a propritary PCB. it's 2 years old, this is typical waste. It's not technologically hard to build a coffee maker than can last 30 years.

imagine how cheap car parts could be if thye were mostly similar. the cost of buying one would plummet, they would be repairable. the cost to the consumer would reduce to a fraction of what it is. We as consumers don't have the option to steer manufacturing processes. you want a new car, they are all built with obsolescence in mind. same with your home furnace, same wiht your new coffee pot.

What I do, is buy used, I throw out new stuff if I find antiques that work for me, I don't need plastic in my clothes or my furnature. I fix what I can, it saves me cost. I am an outlier in the stats, consciously. my toaster is from 1939, it still works perfectly. I scour free stuff some things like my washing machien I'll by broken and take time to fix. my sofa is from 1908 it
needs recovering , its worth the cost, it has no plastics and its comletely biodegradable.. whay arent all new couches biodegradable? Throw it in the dump, buy again, plastic is cheap. oh but the world is getting polluted exponentially ,, Can I fix it, no. I think my couch can outlive me,, because it was built to last.
 
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over a wk and no comments? On this channel? C’mon now...
Two points
1st, its the whole society, government, economy, culture (there! that last 1 covers all). Wages “hafta" go up, Prices follow (or vise versa, doesnt matter), and on & on. Housing shortages (over priced). Pollution. Meanwhile (I support this comment of yours) the planet gets covered w/stuff. George Carlin said it so well:

I believe a joker (George) more’n I believe the need for this typea status quo.
To me it’s much about the corporadoes mining ppl & planet (both fodder for their production mill/profit house).

2nd, we can do sompin bout it. We’ve known about planned obsolescence since ’32 (B. London exposing the ‘20s lghtbulb manufacturers using lesser filaments than Edison showed us) and 'military-industrial complex' for yrs. Our ‘leaders’ R not really here to help but to get re-elected. Direct democracy would help there - but, another story https://social-ecology.org/wp/about/what-is-social-ecology/ for another time. We can act! We can talk w/each other, as you have. And put out some human energy. I started zero-waste as I C it asa huge lever in this problem.
https://zerowasteamherst.wixsite.com/home ; https://www.facebook.com/ZeroWasteAmherst/
and we do ReUse/RePair hoedowns every 4 or 6 months. A doz of us guys (several♀︎too) sit together w/tools and the public is invited in. We fix household stuff, clothing, bikes, handheld devices, puters, “stuff” (women mend too). Most ppl 2day cant tie their shoes. As U know from wrkin on ur car...

Thnx 4 ur provocative comments. I can see Y we’re in the mess we R. No comments here - every1 must B asleep~
 
“...B asleep..."
may B it’s just Performance Alley &/or the thread heading?
I HOPE its not this matter “phil”. ( U Go Frank ! )
 
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