All Small Six Log intake modification ideas. Made, started and running

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ActionYobbo

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Has anyone tried separating the intake into 3 segments? Drive core plugs in from each end to partition off 1 and 2 from 3 and 4 and same for 5 and 6. Cut new holes between 1 and 2 and 5 and 6. Make a plenum box with runners feeding the 3 intake holes (1 original and 2 new) making three two port segments fed by 1 carburetor similar to a PES intake for the GM 292

I searched online for information on doing things like this but the information is not there or I am not looking in the right places.
 
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I think that a properly balanced Offenhauser adapter gets you most of what you want with significantly less labor. I believe that separate runner segments still need their pressure balanced so it would be counterproductive to completely separate the log segments.

I'd say if you really wanted to separate them, slot the log between 2/3 and 4/5, drop a holed slug in the slot and seal it over. You'd still probably want to run the Offy tri-barrel adapter rather than fab extra carb bases just on a labor basis.

EDIT: Sorry, missed the plenum box. I want to say someone did the box sans log segmentation, but i can't remember. Now I have to go look...
 
Thanks

Powerband post #5

Thanks I had not seen that thread.
My plan is similar but smaller plenum box only 4 inches square and 2 inches deep and 3 equal runners by static pressure not length. As this build progresses it will end up with TBI and a turbo but for now it’s getting a autolite 2100 carburetor for testing and ironing out the bugs. I need to get a few miles up on the car and pay a few bills down before I get the fuel injection and turbo.
 
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I've been wondering if a more enterprising type than I could design a sort of manifold/plenum that joins the normal carb inlet to the plugged holes in the ends of the log. For better hood clearance perhaps side draft carbs or throttle body fuel injection. It wouldn't be the most efficient or powerful set-up, but it could be a reversible bolt-on kit rather than a lot of expensive can't be undone custom machining.
 
I've been wondering if a more enterprising type than I could design a sort of manifold/plenum that joins the normal carb inlet to the plugged holes in the ends of the log. For better hood clearance perhaps side draft carbs or throttle body fuel injection. It wouldn't be the most efficient or powerful set-up, but it could be a reversible bolt-on kit rather than a lot of expensive can't be undone custom machining.
I looked at that option but runner length is way too long to do one center carburetor. It could work out for triples if someone was wanting go do that
 
I like the idea of this ' no weld' version.
Twin side draft SU carbs with inlets stubs with plate formed to the log outline and some tapped bolts and gaskets to hold it all together.

Looks like a six in an MGB
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I think I have the design finalized and can start milling and making. I will block off the original carburetor center hole and cut holes at 2 and 5. Make a plenum box that mounts on the original carburetor position with runners going to the new holes at 2 and 5. I will build it and see how it runs.
 
I think I have the design finalized and can start milling and making. I will block off the original carburetor center hole and cut holes at 2 and 5. Make a plenum box that mounts on the original carburetor position with runners going to the new holes at 2 and 5. I will build it and see how it runs.
We're going to need plenty of pics ....
 
Step 1 making some flat spots. I don’t know how thick the metal is in this area so I cut it to the minimum width which gives me 3/16 overlap each side of the big hole for now. After I make the big hole I can mill a bit deeper if the thickness is there.
 

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Might be best to bore an undersized carb hole into that section, so you can check the thickness.
 
welded, bolt-on or glue-on , improving breathing on the log manifold is only dependent on your resources and enthusiasm ...
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Thickness of the log runners varies but unless near a 'boss' on exterior is more like tube than thick casting. Needed to add an epoxy shoulder on log for better 2Bbl gasket surface.
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3-1/2 degree angle of installed engine to carb flange is to be kept in mind .
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Working on this in my spare time so it’s going to take a few months to get done. I made a few parts today. I am using 3/8” steel for the flanges and 1-3/4” OD 1/8” wall pipe so 1-1/2” ID. I still need to cut the outer shape and drill the mounting holes on the flanges. One flange is has a 1-1/2” hole and it will get brazed to the head the other has a 1-3/4” hole and will get welded to the pipe
 

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I like the idea of this ' no weld' version.
Twin side draft SU carbs with inlets stubs with plate formed to the log outline and some tapped bolts and gaskets to hold it all together.

Looks like a six in an MGB
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my 66 volvo 122 had those stock, dual HS-6 SU's. were used on the 1800 and 2 litre. the 300 could probably run three of them quite nicely. I think a lot of british cars used them too. you can get different jet sizes,, I went with the ones that came with a 2 litre. bored mine from 1800 to 2 litres. they work nice, very reliable anyway. the atomization might be different or better with other carbs. the 4.9 litre is a lot higher displacement-wise but the max revs are a lot lower so I guess that is part of the full throttle, flow equations.

there is no choke plate, , instead the choke lowers the bottom hole of the jet letting more fuel through, simple. the little damper pots take a little ATF and that stops the cylindrical part which is joined to the jet from moving too suddenly and causing jerkiness or a stall. as air goes through it lifts the cylinder up lifting the jet and opening up the fuel flow. no accellerator pump. with the air cleaners off you can see it move as you give it throttle, and they should be synchronized. with 3 you'd have a bit more to do to syncronize all 3 to get the right fuel mix but it probably wouldn't be too hard. one could probably keep the same throttle shaft setup, but with some mods.. I put new bushings and throttle shafts and jets in mine and its run flawlessly for some 25 years. no adjustments.

I think as they moved forward there were other larger versions in 70's with their early 240's and I believe some of those had single SU's .. until FI took over. some of those larger carbs , I think had diaphrams, and getting new diaphrams may have been a problem? this one , the HS6 was simple, it had none of that. I might be a bit swayed towards them just because I'm familiar .

my brother got fed up wiht ECU issues and converted three 240's from FI to carbs, removing all the complicated electronics in the process, they had less power but better reliability.. that was his basic goal, not performance, just simplicity. It did work.

like the ford since there were at one time carb models its basically a matter of using a few of the older parts and you can dumb it down , increasing reliability..

FI was an imporovement, more power, better mileage, but it brought with it a lot of complexity and not really huge gains ..more relays and wiring complexity. for their expected lifetime they were still quite reliable. My interest in them faded as the complexity increased into the 90's

The manifold is coming along nicely... It looks fun.
 
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Got a bit more doneIMG_0179.jpeg
The carburetor is the smallest 2100 and the alloy adapter is 2100 to Webber DGES.
 

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