Look what I found under my valve cover!!!!
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Ba Mustang
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He is located in Virginia.Mercury Mike":t1y0rtkf said:
JHPSTANG
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Originally Posted by fakesnakes (on another forum)
"Okay, to rebuild a 6 cylinder is more costly than it is worth unless you are doing a complete concourse restoration. What you are looking at is oil sludge for the most part. The rust is from moisture in the oil and the dampness of a barn over 18 years. Scub it down with a good solvent wash all that crap out of there and let it fall into the pan. Use plenty of solvent and run it thorugh the oil drain back openings until you are sure it is out. Remove the pan, scrub the rest of the crap out, rinsing well and replace the pan and gasket. Fill it with a good quality oil. Shoot two good squirts of Mystery Oil in each cylinder and turn the engine over by hand several revolutions. Change the plugs, points, condenser, cap, rotor and wires. Crank it with the starter and listen for and strange noises. Finally, start it up and let it run at various RPM until it is warm."
I'm thinking fakesnakes might be right here. I've already got new Ignitor/Flamethrower ignition/coil, and replaced all wires and plugs. Carb has been rebuilt. I looked down the plug holes with a light and it was nice and shiny in there (from what I could see) I'm gonna do the above, and see what happens. Then I'm gonna start looking for a new engine to put in there! I'll keep you posted with pics!
JHP
"Okay, to rebuild a 6 cylinder is more costly than it is worth unless you are doing a complete concourse restoration. What you are looking at is oil sludge for the most part. The rust is from moisture in the oil and the dampness of a barn over 18 years. Scub it down with a good solvent wash all that crap out of there and let it fall into the pan. Use plenty of solvent and run it thorugh the oil drain back openings until you are sure it is out. Remove the pan, scrub the rest of the crap out, rinsing well and replace the pan and gasket. Fill it with a good quality oil. Shoot two good squirts of Mystery Oil in each cylinder and turn the engine over by hand several revolutions. Change the plugs, points, condenser, cap, rotor and wires. Crank it with the starter and listen for and strange noises. Finally, start it up and let it run at various RPM until it is warm."
I'm thinking fakesnakes might be right here. I've already got new Ignitor/Flamethrower ignition/coil, and replaced all wires and plugs. Carb has been rebuilt. I looked down the plug holes with a light and it was nice and shiny in there (from what I could see) I'm gonna do the above, and see what happens. Then I'm gonna start looking for a new engine to put in there! I'll keep you posted with pics!
JHP
You would be surprised what this engine can do...it is a tank. When I first bought my Mustang back in '87, the engine was so gummed up and out of tune I couldn't get it up faster than 30 all the way home (and it took about a 30 second to get to 30 mph).
IIRC, my father and I just kept adding ATF and changing the oil for a weekend watching all the sludge come out with each change. When the oil changes stopped looking like used coffee grounds, we gave it a quick tune-up and it was a different car. I drove the car all through high school after that with no problem till we rebuilt it when I was in college.
IIRC, my father and I just kept adding ATF and changing the oil for a weekend watching all the sludge come out with each change. When the oil changes stopped looking like used coffee grounds, we gave it a quick tune-up and it was a different car. I drove the car all through high school after that with no problem till we rebuilt it when I was in college.
JHPSTANG
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For your continuing entertainment...
After using solvent and a toothbrush (my wifes
) and rinsing well with a total of about 3/4 gallon of solvent, here's the progress:
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I let all the solvent drain in to the pan, and drained it, and flushed with more solvent. The solvent that came out was red instead of clear. After a day to evaporate the solvent I will flush with oil and, and fill it up with oil and Marvel. Then I'll lube the cylinders with Mystery oil and crank it around by hand a few times. Repeat daily for three days. Saturday should be D-day. (fingers crossed)
For all you naysayers... If it doesn't work you can say "I told you so" but I've gotten enough encouragement to try it before I give up on it. I'll keep you posted.
JHP
After using solvent and a toothbrush (my wifes
) and rinsing well with a total of about 3/4 gallon of solvent, here's the progress: http://s448.photobucket.com/albums/qq20 ... 281021.jpg
http://s448.photobucket.com/albums/qq20 ... 281020.jpg
http://s448.photobucket.com/albums/qq20 ... 281019.jpg
I let all the solvent drain in to the pan, and drained it, and flushed with more solvent. The solvent that came out was red instead of clear. After a day to evaporate the solvent I will flush with oil and, and fill it up with oil and Marvel. Then I'll lube the cylinders with Mystery oil and crank it around by hand a few times. Repeat daily for three days. Saturday should be D-day. (fingers crossed)
For all you naysayers... If it doesn't work you can say "I told you so" but I've gotten enough encouragement to try it before I give up on it. I'll keep you posted.
JHP
JHPSTANG":14nhjyyg said:
Hey I don't think you got any 'naysayers' here...especially when it comes to a Ford straight six
But it wasn't a question of whethor or not it would run. Instead it seemed to be a question of what should I do (ie what would you do). Naturally when you ask for opinions you should expect 'em to run the gambit. I'd take that as a healthy difference in approaches. Some would opt to clean it up and run as is, others would choose to go ahead with a rebuild. I'm sure everyone here would wish you success, because I think we'd all liike to see another six on the road
IMHO. I suggest we keep it friendly cause it's not an us against them kinda deal. Myself, I wish you luck...but 'if I were you' (obviously I'm not 
) I'd still pull the pan to finish the cleaning and to make sure the sump doesn't clog right out of the gate (my .02)Good luck!
JHPSTANG
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I just put the pan back on about a month ago after a full cleaning and repainting. The screen was in good shape. Would you pull it again?
I'm not being unfriendly, I appreciate all opinions. I guarantee everyone on this forum has more experience with this sort of thing than me. I'm keeping it light hearted Don't take me too seriously 
I'm off to turn the engine by hand. I did it this afternoon after pouring a bit of Marvel Mystery Oil in the plug holes. It turned pretty easily with a box wrench, no breaker bar needed. I saw the bottom end (I think?) when I pulled the pan last month. It was almost completely rust free. Keep the good advice coming. I can take it!
I'm not being unfriendly, I appreciate all opinions. I guarantee everyone on this forum has more experience with this sort of thing than me. I'm keeping it light hearted
Don't take me too seriously I'm off to turn the engine by hand. I did it this afternoon after pouring a bit of Marvel Mystery Oil in the plug holes. It turned pretty easily with a box wrench, no breaker bar needed. I saw the bottom end (I think?) when I pulled the pan last month. It was almost completely rust free. Keep the good advice coming. I can take it!
Mercury Mike
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The only reason I'd pull the pan is to make sure that I got all of the solvent out. make sure it flushes properly, etc. But it's up to you. Let us know how it goes! If I were you I'd start it already, I'm impatient haha
JHPSTANG
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Yeah I was thinking about just pouring a quart of oil through the head to flush all the solvent and let it drain right out. Then fill it with new oil plus 1 qt Mystery Oil and see what happens. It's amazing what the Mystery Oil already pulled off the cylinders, from what I can see through the plug holes. I'm impatient too, but one step at a time. Tonight I put the drivers seat back in so I can sit while I crank it.
honestly your engine looks better than previously but i'd defenetly pull it again to clean the screen, but i'd wait until you have it running letting the screen flush the oil a bit to make sure most gunk is out of the top engine i'm sure some gunk fell down somewhere... but that's me...
when starting it i'd run 1~2 quart ATF, like some one else posted to clean up anything/everything possible
hopefully it runs just fine..
Richard
when starting it i'd run 1~2 quart ATF, like some one else posted to clean up anything/everything possible
hopefully it runs just fine..
Richard
Mercury Mike
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You should take a video of it with a digital camera, I'd really like to see it start for the first time after all this haha.
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