Spark Advance

Ba Mustang

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What would happen if I took the spark advance off of my 67? It currently is drawing advance all the time instead of when the pedal is pressed. It also has a vacuum leak and I really would like to tune the carb. Would the 200 run better without it or with it?
 
Also how do I check my timing and set it? I have a timing gun, but it has the advance degree dial on it and I don't know what to set it to to make sure the reading is accurate.
 
I assume your talking about the Load o matic run of the Spark control valve. I have holley 1946 on my 67 200, and when i was still running the LOM i didn't have any issues. When i went to tune using a vacuum i noticed the port i was using on the holley wasn't pulling anything. I can only assume that i wasn't getting any vacuum advance at all, there was no change in my initial advance if the vacuum was hooked up or not. Also the previous owner had the inital advance some where up in the 20's. I can only guess that based on they way mine was setup it couldn't hurt. I could be very wrong. Either way go out and get an autolite 1100 with Spark Control Valve or do the DSII or DUI swap. You don't want to running it the way it's setup now or with the vacuum advance disconnected.
 
Oh and to check your advance first locate the timing marks on the timing chain cover and pully. its best to clean and paint all the marks for easy ID. You may have to crank the engine over manually by applying pressure to the fan belt and turning the fan blade, this will allow you to slowly check the pully for the mark. Your timing light should be set to zero, disconnect the vacuum advance and plug the line going to the carb, run the engine, less that 500RPM if you can connect the light to the #1 plug and turn it on. The pully mark sould line up some where along the marks on the chain cover. If you haven't already get the Falcon Performance handbook.
 
With a dial back timing light you can set the knob to zero and then read the timing mark flashes on the scale by the crankshaft. Say for instance the timing mark is lining up on the 8 deg mark on the scale. Now keep squeezing the trigger and turn the timing knob on the light. As you turn it, the timing mark on the balancer ought to appear to start moving toward the zero on the scale on the crankshaft scale. If everything is reading correctly, when you get the timing timing mark on the balancer lined up with the 0 on ths scale, the knob on the timing light should be pointing to 8 deg in this example.

The advantage of the dial-back light is that you do not need the balancer to be marked with a complete scale of numbers. Most cars only have a small timing scale that may go from 20 deg BTDC to 4 deg ATDC or something similar. If you are checking timing at higher rpm's, the timing will be off the scale on the crankshaft indicator. With the dial back light, you can dial the timing light knob until the timing mark on the crank is lined up with the timing scale by the crank and you can read the timing on your timing light instead of of having a balancer that having a series of timing marks.
If your car has the Load-a-matic, you need to replace it with a 1968 or later distributor. Your carb is not compatible with the Load-a-matic and if the timing is advancing all the time, it sounds like you may have the load-a-matic. On a non-load-o distributor, you can run it without the vacuum line to the distributor as long as it is plugged. But your mileage and performance will suffer. I have a car that does not have vacuum advance, but the engine is set up more for racing applications than street.
Doug
 
Yes that is correct. (A qualifier is that some of the smaller 6 cyl engines have a smaller diameter distributor hole in the block and the later distributors will not fit. I don't think that is the case on the 200 blocks, but I do not know all the specifics. A search in the forum can yield more info.)

I would order the distributor with the single vacuum nipple cannister. Some distributors have a dual vacuum advance cannister which is for emission purposes. one side advances the timing and one side retards it at idle.
Here is a points type distributor at Autozone.
http://www.autozone.com/N,16200030//sho ... ultSet.htm

Some guys run the Duraspark distributor from later model Fords and it provides the advantage of electronic ignition. Read the "Sticky Posts" at the top of the index is this section for more information. It is a low cost alternative, but will require a little wiring to get it to work. There are lots of posts on it to help you out.
Doug
 
Advance Auto has a 68 6cyl single vacuum distributor for 51. I will probably by that one. It is made by the same company.
 
I have electronic ignition in the distributor on my 67. I will just transfer over the ignition over to the new distributor and move the points to the old one and maybe try to sell the old one.
 
If it is a Pertonix ignition, I don't think they interchange, but I might be wrong. Check the Pertonix website for fitment.
Doug
 
It looks as though I have the autolite version, and it says that it is compatible with most stock point-type distributors.
 
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