Starter confusion - 2-bolt/3-bolt versions

[stu in wichita]

I've read some recent posts about the 3-bolt starter being for automatics and the 2-bolt version being for manuals. Is this really correct, and does it apply to all years and all versions of manuals/automatics?

My '61 Ranchero is a conglomeration of parts - a '64 model 170, a 2.77 bellhousing with recessed flywheel, and a T-5 with a Modern Driveline adapter. I don't know what year the bell and flywheel came out of - the PO had started to convert from auto to manual.

What has me confused is that the starter is definitely a 3-bolt style. It seems to engage solidly with no bad noises. Should I be concerned, or am I just misunderstanding?

-Stu

 

[stu in wichita]

Anyone?

 

[MPGmustang]

from what I know...

the 3.03 speed bellhousing uses a 2 bolt starter, using a c7 bellhousing, letter code A (meaning 67-70ish production)
My old c4 used a 3 bolt starter, never found out what year that trans was

 

[Frankenstang]

What has me confused is that the starter is definitely a 3-bolt style. It seems to engage solidly with no bad noises. Should I be concerned, or am I just misunderstanding?

Early manual trannys had 3 bolt starters (see the four across the top of this page)...you're fine
http://straightsixshootin.weebly.com/

 

[stu in wichita]

Thanks for the link, Robert. I had those same pix and write-up when I started my T5 swap, from a site called "phlegm.usa" or similar. One day the links all went dead and I really could have used them several times to identify components. This time I have a bookmark on that valuable info and a copy of everything on my hard drive.

They mention the block plate, but I don't think this is covered. I used the two piece block plate, which I believe is from the auto tranny setup. I didn't know any better, and it seems to work fine. I did have to elongate one hole in the bottom plate. Now I can open the bottom half and see a little of the clutch/flywheel/starter area. Should be okay, don't you think?

Thanks again for the info.
-Stu

 

[Frankenstang]

They mention the block plate, but I don't think this is covered. I used the two piece block plate, which I believe is from the auto tranny setup. I didn't know any better, and it seems to work fine. I did have to elongate one hole in the bottom plate. Now I can open the bottom half and see a little of the clutch/flywheel/starter area. Should be okay, don't you think?

No sweat Stu. I can't see where the two piece would cause an issue, and think that could be dang handy for inspection. Luckily those pages have been preserved by CoupeBoy aka Ron, and he allowed me to put 'em on a free weebly site to back-up phlegm, as his buddy hosts them at 'phlegm'.com (funny name) so he goes with the flow there. So big props to Ron

 

[CoupeBoy]

I was just looking for something completely unrelated when I saw this...

The site is
http://www.phlegm.us/

And under the Tech menu item
http://www.phlegm.us/tech/drivetrain/

I got all that information from somebody else and I do not have anything to ad.

OK, maybe I should create links to this information from SoCar72... (thank him)
http://www.phlegm.us/FordSix/SoCar/
And maybe these...
http://www.phlegm.us/tech/drivetrain/SoCar/

And yes, I have a buddy here in Fargo that gives me free web hosting, so when it is down, I forgive him as.. well its free!!

The nickname started a long time ago when my brother and I used to play video games, he was clem, I was phlegm. I needed a domain name one day (back in the early 2000's) and bam I picked one.

The name is actually funny to be because my '67 Mustang, was originally Lime Gold, sort of a mucus/phlegmmy color. And it always will be some shade of pea green too.

-ron