Superchargers

2nd.gunman

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Anyone have any pictures of supercharged X-flows? any ideas on setup?
Also is there any good books out on supercharging carby engines, i had a look at Supercharged! by Corky Bell but it is all for EFI setups.
 
Eager Aussies have already got a boat load, 'gunman

Dukeowindsor

http://www.coogeebayperformance.com.au/popup8.htm

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JD's vernerable pics are something else!

http://home.tower.net.au/~grin132/albums/ford250/

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Another link, http://members.optushome.com.au/cortinacrazy/superchargedtd has an SC12 equiped engine in a TD Cortina. Mark ZE got this one sorted from PCman a while back!
 
May I recommend, Turbochargers by Hugh MacInnes. It has an extensive section on the modifications nessessary for pressurizing carbs of varied makes.
It's available through Amozon.com for $11.50 U.S. dollars.

John
 
8) I really missed that when the link dropped off a while back. But you found it again!

Great way to use an SC12, tho'! 218 hp seams almost creditable...thats about 290 flywheel horses, a little over the 250 hp maximum others have set as the limit. That old x-flow would flow some serious air at full tilt.
 
thanks for the info. that cortina was the sort of setup i was looking for but i have some questions.

how was the alternator relocated?

roughly how much does a SC12 flow(cfm)?

what r the differences between the SC12 ad SC14 and what cars were the originally fitted to?

and are there any other water necks that fit the alloy head? a straight one maybe?
 
Note that the alternator in the Super charged Cortina is where the power steering unit would be in a Falcon EFI/X-Flow Cortina. Simple, huh?
On Dukeowindsors red XF and the other grey Falcon is in the stock position. Most show cars have no power steering, and TC/TD power steering is only found on retrofits from Hyundai Stellas (Cortina TF under the skin) and TF V6 Cortinas (Pommy Cortinas found in NZ in large numbers).Dukes' car is a daily driver, and hes fitted power steering, but he's got a little more room in there!

In the Cortina, the SC12 lives about where the alternator/air conditioning compressor sits on an A/C car. So if you hate the 4 turns lock to lock Cortina steering, you are gonna have a heck of a job fitting a power steering unit and an SC12.

The really amazing thing is how simple the drive set up is on it.

As for cfm at 12 psi of boost, I'd say 725 cfm as an educated guess. That 250 hp I quoted is about it for 12 pounds of boost. A stock 250 hp engine would need 450 cfm to get this sort of power. 12 pounds is a (12+14.7) divided by 14.7 of boost ratio....which is 1.81.

Heres my calcs..only because I've not seen anyone else publish them. There must be some clever dude with a ratin curve for the SC12 or SC14blowers. C'mon, were ANZAC's here, guys who have connections for petes sake!

This is mutiplied to the estimated 450 cfm flow figure for a "normal" 250 suped up to running at 250 horses. But when you supercharge a car, forceing air into an engine at that rate makes heat and expands the intake charge. The effective boost ratio is now about 1.60, depending on the intake temperature at the inlet ports. An intercooler would help, but why bother if you've got another 100 gee-gees?

Another option is to take the estimated 1.2 litres per revolution (Thats why it's called the SC12! The SC14 is 1.4 litres), and convert it to cubic feet displacement. Each rev would be around 0.514 cubic feet. If it did 10 000 rpm, at full tilt, it'd flow 5139 cfm if the air :-

a) didn't heat up

b) didn't suffer from efficiency loss.

But air does, and the cfm vs rpm curve isn't linear. So that's why I say 725 cfm is about it at 10000 rpm.

All pumps have rating curve...where is the one for this?

SC12/SC14 original fitments. Go to a wrecker, and get a Ryco or Fram aircleaner sales book, and look at the listings. These bookes tell you what filter fits what engine, but they also tell you if it was Supercharged! In NZ, we have heaps of grey Jap imports, and the major Toyota dealers carry stocks for the Jap imports as well as the ADR-spec Aussie/NZ Toyotas.

What I've heard is that the 16 valve 1.6 4AGE ran them as 150 hp engines for the Carina/Celica/Corona from 1993 until 2001, the 2.0 litre 16 valve MR2's from 1990 to 2001, the Lexus based Toyota Soarer, which had a 2.5 litre six, from 1990 to 1996. Some-one else who knows should set you straight.

I have friends in the trade, but they already think I'm crazy so it's better to get the info from another source, brother!

As for the intake neck
for the upper radiator hose, grab the centre spacings and critical dimensions, and retrofit another. An alloy tooling plate spacer may help you fit one from another car. There's a bleed valve on it, via a small 7/16 bolt in the head casting, so don't worry about vapour lock or how it looks. Just make sure it won't cavitate on the inside!
 
the only things i know about the sc12 and sc14 is that there both toyota and that the sc14 comes off the 1ggze engine which is a 2l out of a supra i think and the sc12 come off a 4agze which is 1.6l which is corolla i think
hope this helps
 
hiya guys
well the supercharged cortina is actually running a sc14 with the clutch removed to get the correct ratio

the alternator is using all custom brackets mounted where the power steering bracket is mounted

the s/c is mounted on custom brackets 1/2 way between where the alternator and aircon is supposed to be


im hoping to get some updates photos of it next week as he is also running a intercooler as well

its not a efi cortina its straight lpg he is using the efi intake as it flows better

best of luck to everyone
cheers
pcman
 
Hey Xecute,

Are those superchargers the same as the Eaton's that we have over here?
They sure look like an Eaton M90 or maybe the smaller M65. If it is, where did you get the extended drive snout for one? We have them over here but they are rather expensive.
Is there anyone over there that is selling the mounts and other bits nessesary to mount it to the engine?

Since it looks to be very possible to mount the Crossflow head onto the US 200-250, I am getting very interested.

John
 
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This is a very efficient, but a little bit crude with a two lobe blower, where as all the Eatons have three lobes, I think. It has no snout on the SC12, but quite long on the SC14, like this:-
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Other companies are doing there own, like the Aussie roller rocker/CNC head company Yella Terra with their TerraCharger. The SC 12/14 is no Eaton rip off, and no parts interchange. :cry:

But if you talk to someone in OZ, you could pick one up. CRS do some neat conversions, and the blowers are built like swiss watches used to be! I think the Eaton may be better, though. How about a nice big 3/8 inch plate welded or bolted to the log headed 200, and an Eaton off a GM 3800? Just move it forward till the drive pulleys line up. And tilt the engine 21 degrees to the starboard side if you run in to clearnace problems with spring tower braces, as a last resort. EFI system off a GM 3800.

Do what I did. Get a spare bit of space in your garage or shed, and grab a defunct Ford I6, and get some ply wood, measuring tools and protractors. Go and get all the hard dimensions of the canditate blowers you can (almost) afford, and make any change to make it fit without compromising the design. I've found tilting my engine, and getting an already big blower with a long snout is a good approach. You would find the loss of 1.67 inches of block height with the 200 engine a real plus. The cast iron log just needs an adaptor. If you could make room for a fuel rail, the super charger doesn't have to be right in the centre of the log manifold. It's just air, after all.

As happened with the TD Cortina 250 EFI with LPG carb and SC14, the guy used the stock mounting points, and ended up with a result that packages. How you go about it is up to you. Just keep plodding, and something real radical and practical will present it self. Innovation can only steer a moving ship, bro'!
 
the sc14 has no snout those have a custom snout on them
the only external difference between the sc12 and sc14 is the sc14 is 1" longer

cheers
pcman
 
I noticed that the AU engines are running Serpentine Belts did they come standard with them or is that a modification?
How many ribs wide are they? The Eatons use an 8 rib wide pulley.

I sure wish that We could get Propane as cheap as You do, it costs twice as much as gasoline over here. :cry:

John
 
Whew! Great to see you back in da house, pcman. You've done some great work here! That SC14 is sure nice. Reserve price is good.
 
im always dropping by checking this place out daily
im sure you will see a few questionf from me as im about to drop a xe efi engine into a tf cortina :)
my new daily cruiser my te is getting too expensive to run daily as i drive up to 50kms per day to work

im guessing it will sell on ebay its nice cheap boost 10psi is pretty good

anyway cheers
pcman
 
correct pully ratio
he is running a ea falcon harmonic balancer bolted to the standard cortina balancer and has a custom milled pully on the s/c

dont know the sizes sorry

cheers
pcman
 
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