All Small Six Time for an Exhaust System...

This relates to all small sixes

wakjob

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Rebuilt 200, small LOG head, 264/264-110 cam, Weber 32/36, Header 2.5" collectors, HEI dizzy, T-5 tranny swap...

Suggestions on pipe diameter and muffler choices please!

My thinking...keep it true dual all the way back, keep it 2.5", and was liking MagnaFlow (model?).

Thanks guys! ...Wak
 
I’m very interested in what the suggestions are for this, I’m thinking about a new exhaust system as well. The tech section states that for a 2.5” dual exhaust system you should have 300-350 rear wheel horsepower, that’s just the rule of thumb. The handbook states something a little different but I can’t remember off the top of my head.
I’m leaning to a 2” or 2.25” single exhaust on a stock motor.
 
What ever both of you do... Do your exhaust in all Stainless steel, please... I know its alot more money, but its worth it if you plan to keep your Car more than say 6-8 years ? I always make up my own exhaust systems on everything i have. I buy exhaust parts, and also make up my own pipes. I have been too cheap to pop for stainless steel, but always cuss my self for not spending the money. I keep my Cars and Trucks forever, i never sell anything. Dont make the same mistakes for your exhaust system... wakjob, i like what you picked, i say run with that... Mustang Dad, I say your spot on for your stock 200-250 ?... Side note here.. I have a 83 F150 300 six. Its reworked some for high torque below 4000 RPM. All the proven parts, Offy DP intake, 390 Holley 4 barrel. Pocket ported EFI Cylinder head, short duration Camshaft. I made my own dual exhaust manifolds with 5 foot 2.25 dual pipes going under the cab. I had a nice 3 inch low restriction exhaust i made years back, and the Truck runs well... Now the exhaust has rusted to Hell, and was making too many bad sounds... I got pissed and in a hurry and grabbed some junk laying around. I cut everything off, and left the 5 foot pipes off the engine. I welded up this 4 inch pipe all the way back to the bumper. I welded a cap on the end of that, and cut a hole 2 feet back that blows the exhaust down and out... Part of this was an experiment on sound wave management, and its not too offensive until you get on it. The funny thing is, the Truck runs just a bit better. It makes no sense at all, the 4 inch pipe is too big. What i think that saves this Hillbilly exhaust is, the 5 foot dual 2.25 head pipes. And the 4 inch pipe, is just a tuned chamber. The hole at the bottom is just 2x3 inches... Im confused why this works well, maybe others have ideas... Dont mean to jack this thread, but i thought this info was useful to all.
 
Looking at the "official" sizing charts, I should be using sub-2" pipes off the header...no.
Even though this engine won't be making a lot of power, I want to maintain the deepest/throatiest sound possible.

Super confused on exhaust systems.

Maybe dual 2.25" and Magnapacks?

Opinions on X vs H pipe?... or is it unnecessary on a straight 6?
 
Nice engine package and with a T5 should have very different drivability than pre-build.

Suggestions on pipe diameter and muffler choices please!

Exhaust systems are built on facts and opinions, here's a few:

Dual 2" should be plenty big enuff' and available in lengths and mandrel pre-formed bends. "Flex' pipes are a good addition to any Header setup along with stainless steel sleeve 'band clamps' for ease of any future removal and re-install (like tranny/clutch, suspension etc work) .


Mufflers are real opinion land.

I like 'Smithy" type for small block six drone control, they're not raspy like tin turbo types but not too subtle when revved. Large steel mufflers and typical red glasspacs' seem to re-enforce the dreaded Six Drone at cruise.



> for a wild range of opinions, ask : " ... do 4 stroke exhaust systems need 'backpressure' ? ".


I have Hooker dual out long tubes' and 'Smithys' on a built 250 in a '61 and Hooker duals on a mild built 63 / 170 with two OEM round can mufflers for smooth quiet DD. Both setups have no drone.

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hav e fun
 
An exhaust systems sound is very personalized so you should use what ever you would like as to the pipe size and sound let alone the performance improvement of a well designed system. Do you realy need a 2 1/2 inch duel system on a stock or mildly built 200 six? Probably not but that can depend on lots of things such as the engine build, gearing, and RPM the engine is going to operate in. There are bolt on systems with 1 3/4, 2, & 2 1/4 inch available I don't know of a 2 1/2 inch system but there is likely a 289, 302, & 351 V8 system that could be used and modded to work so that's going to need a bit of custom work but is possable. I think you would be happy with the performance from a 2 inch duel system on a 200 that's plenty of flow potential, or you can also easily fit in the 2 1/4 inch pipes too if you wanted. With this kinds of exhaust flow potential you will also need to have a good flowing intake system to take full advantage of your engines ability to exhaule. Yes on using an X or H pipe is a very good idea on any duel exhaust system especially an X pipe on an inline six gives it a much deeper tone as well as little better flow. In my OPIN you can get the exhaust tone you want just by picking the right mufflers more so than by the pipe size though the bigger pipes also deepen the sound some. Look for all the sound clips of the Ford 200 six'es there are some good ones (see below for a few) so,you can find all the different muffler tones that interest you. Personally I like the Waldron Arvinode duel system that was a project with Vintage Inlines to build a duel system for our small six'es. It's based on the factory 1965 & 1966 Mustang GT (289 V8 & HiPo 289's) duel 2 1/4 inch exhaust system (see below for a sound clip). Or then you really want you could also do a full custom built system to get you the 2 1/2 inch size and you don't mind spending considerably more. If you want to dive into exhaust systems theory even deeper look up John Vissards article on a zero loss exhaust system that he designed it's a very interesting read, one of our site members built his Falcon exhaust system like that. Best of Luck

Some 1965 & 1966 Ford Mustang 200 Six Sound Clips to get You started

6 Into 1 Header With A Magnaflow Muffler looks like a 2 inch pipe system

6 Into 2 Header With Duels looks to be a 2 inch pipe system

Waldron Anodode Duel Exhaust Sound Clips With and Without an X Pipe is a 2 1/4 inch Mustang GT Exhaust System
 
Yes, exhaust pipe size and muffler type always comes down to the right sound you want... If you want to go with dual pipes for the look and sound, that makes sense... Small dual pipes 2 inch with Smithys straight though mufflers is good for a smaller, lower powered Car or Truck... Very old school, and it works still. Old Flathead 6 cylinder Dodge/ Plymouth stuff sounds great, of course Flathead Ford V8s used them always. Pull up on Youtube and listen to those.
 
My 250 exhausts through a single 2-1/4" pipe running through a turbo muffler and it sounds pretty nice. It has a low-pitched resonance that's not intrusive. It's definitely not wheezy sounding like the stock systems nor does it sound like someone farting through a straw.
 
... nor does it sound like someone farting through a straw.

I don't even want to envision that! :cool:


hav e fun
I didn't know how else to describe it - it's that loud, high-pitched obnoxious sound that "tuners" often have. It's always sounded like someone farting through a straw to me (although to be truthful I've never actually heard what that would sound like) ... your opinion may vary :-)
 
A 2.25 pipe and Turbo muffler is always a good way to go. Takes the edge off the raspy sound you get with an inline 4 or 6... Many years ago i had a warmed over Datsun 240Z, header into a 2.25 pipe, Turbo muffler at the end with a 8-10 inch tailpipe/tip. It sounded good, and was not offensive. I had an Import " tuner" car back in the early 80s, way before it became so popular... A straight through muffler, with a smaller pipe size on a 4 or 6 cylinder. Will give you that " Fart through a straw sound ".
 
LOL, a Fart though a Straw is actually a good description of how those little import tunner cars sound to me too, I used to call the big 4 to 5 inch megaphone type tips a fart can, I don’t really care for that kind of sound at all but then that's just me. I also drove a Datsun was a 1977 extended cab pick up for several years that I hot rodded it's L20B engine some, I had headers and a 2 inch with a Turbo muff it sounded good to me with a nice deeper tone. Back than in the 1970's to 1990's I used a lot of the Common Turbo Mufflers on builds on my 1965 Mustang I used a set of the Street Hemi Turbo's. In the 1960's I used the glass packs on everything.
 
CI #6 above uses the bldgs (3 stories each side, to echo/intensify). Tapes, vids, etc will not "get it" for choices. Grab a guy locally that U like's sound & ask them. My best were 4 cyl dual Abarth muffs & resonators, the muff had a pin hole (drilled it in at low point to let out the water, that hada great burble (I call it) esp when engine breaking, coasting down a hill...
 
You guys are legends....
Just trying to get the most "classic muscle car" sound out of it... without sacrificing any power.

All my friends are import tuners...I know the "fart can" sound all too well ;-)

I know I don't like what an 'X' pipe brings to the party. Too "raspy" or "European" to my ears.
Every sound clip or video comparing it to an 'H' pipe... the 'H' sounds more classic American muscle.

I don't want it obnoxious/offensive or "hey LOOK at me".
Would like to avoid any cruising speed "DRONE" also.
 
Sure an H pipe also is a good way to go too. As far a drone at cruse that is caused by the resonate frequency at a steady speed and RPM at say cruising down the freeway. You can build a Helmholtz 1/4 wave resonator for a single or a pair of them for a duel system. This fixes the drone issue without changing the sound or tone of the exhaust system it just tunes it so that frequency cancelled out.

Calculate and Build a Helmholtz Exhaust Resonator
 
Well wakjob i understand what you are looking for... I would look hard at dual 2 inch pipes, with long Smithy mufflers. Speedway Motors sells those. A very old school classic sound... Another trick to deepen the tone on a smaller engine is to step up the tail pipe size behjnd the muffler/ mufflers... This Dodge Truck with a V10 that i have has the same issues. I have been looking into the right sound for it. I look at this engine as 2-244 inch inline engines strapped together... The best sound i like is Dual 2.25 pipes going back to performance mufflers, with 3 inch tail pipes. Gives it a nice close to a Big block V8 sound as one can get. The V10s are tricky, wrong exhaust and it sounds like an Italian sports car. And that is just un cool for a Truck... Ive listened to plenty of Youtube for a sound i like.
 
3 totally different directions here (& there's even more). Pick'n try, just supports my comment, "no science to fashion. Taste is individual."
 
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