WATER all OVER MY MOTOR!!!

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replacing my headgasket and when I took the head off water got all in the pistons area and stuff so I Wiped it all off and sprayed wd 40 on the top of it to help fight the rust/water... well top of pistons are COVERED in buildup.. car wasoverheating couldnt figure out why but it didnt look like the headgaset was blown.. but it seemed the bolts werent torque correctly 3 of them cameoff with ease why the other ones were hard 2 get off I guess since everythings off im going to do a full rebuild and takeout the motor anything what kinda stuff should I use to clean the block? the inside cylinder walls look reallly f*****g perfect and smooth.. I dont underdtand why im burning so much oil and some of my sparkplugs are covered in water:|
 
Sounds like someone didn't drain the coolant first. :wink:

Just so you know next time... The head bolts should be detorqued in the reverse order of torquing. Failing to do so may induce damage to the head or the threads in the block.

Engines can build up crud on the piston tops for a variety of reasons - blow-by, rich running, inefficient combustion all spring to mind. You need to troubleshoot, and from the nature of your other posts, I urge a slow, measured approach from here in. You're going to invest time and a few new parts; why not get it right. Take the carbie episode as a pointer that you may be diving in a bit hastily.

Inspect the block. Look for tracking of combustion gases or water under the gasket contact areas. Lay a straightedge along, across, and on the diagonals of the block. If you see daylight under it, measure with feeler gauges and record the number. Feel the top of the cylinder bores for a "ridge" where the wear stops; note about how thick (this is by guessing/visually comparing to feeler gauges). Pay special attention to #1 bore, also the rear two.

Scrape the piston tops clean with a wood scraper (maple sharpened to a chisel point is good); you might want to use a little brush-on type paint stripper if it's really thick. Always clean the piston at the TOP of its travel. That way, as you lower it down after, you can mop up all the little bits which were stuck hard in the edge. You can clean them in pairs this way, as they come down look for scoring, and whether you can see any honing marks still. When cleaning the piston tops, plug all the other holes with rags or paper towel. No point contaminating your oil supply or a just-cleaned bore. Preserve the bores with a liberal swab of clean engine oil and a new white cotton rag popped lightly in the top.

Time to focus on the head. IIRC, yours has some broken bits? Maybe pick up another unit - CC'ing if you do, and check your theoretical compression level.

With the head, it is especially important to keep everything in the correct order (did you do this with the pushrods?). Again, I like methylene chloride paint stripper for degreasing and cleaning up. It is highly toxic, so be safe. Caustic soda solution works well, but for whatever reason is likely to film-rust immediately, where the stripper doesn't. Clean the head initially, then dismantle and clean again.

If possible, I suggest you next pop all the freeze plugs, including the log ends, and get the head insides glassbeaded. This will remove almost all the rust scale from the water passages, and the carbon from ports. The glass beads will not affect the valve seats where garnet or sand abrasive may do significant damage. Even so, ask the blast guy to go light on the valve seat areas. Most blasters offer a phosphate coating spray that protects lightly against corrosion for a few weeks - consider this, too. clean the head thoroughly of all abrasive and let it sit a day or two. Any cracking will show up as a stain line, where oil weeps back to the surface. Hopefully, there isn't any!

Next, check your valve stem clearances and seats. Worn guides can suck oil, worn seats lose compression. Compare to working limits. Wear in these areas will determine if machine time is needed. The valve stem oil seals are cheap and replaced as a matter of course. Hopefully, you don't need anything more substantial than them. (Unless you are wishing to mill the head for either flatness or a compression raise.) Reassemble with engine oil as a lube, paint the head and reinstall. Note well the rest periods required when torquing down. I place assembly lube on both ends of the pushrods, and the valve stem tips, always.

Start it up with new, correctly gapped plugs (don't trust them out the box), and a reliable carb (borrow one?). Then report back...

Sure, it's some work but you'll learn as you go, plus save on what the machine shop will charge.

Cheers, Adam.
 
head isnt original but everything else is inside the block... when removing the head I believe about 3 bolts werent even tyte why the other tooks a bit of pressure to take off... sorry I just took the head off and the rods :|
I kept them so i'd know what was down low and what wasnt but I guess Imay have messed that up:| can I purchase new ones that give me instructions how to install them?
 
gumpn2":3ovxujzq said:
the inside cylinder walls look reallly f*****g perfect and smooth.. I dont underdtand why im burning so much oil and some of my sparkplugs are covered in water:|

The cylinder walls shouldn't be smooth. They have a near mirror finish now because they are worn out. :)
 
Bolts can lose their elasticity if used too many times. They will not hold torque because they have become "softer". I'd be very suspect of any head bolts that were loose when you disassembled the engine.
 
addo: I think I did everything the wrong way but I hope she'll forgive me=)

comet: Oh I had no idea about that lol.. I thought that meant it was in perfect condition hahaha! pistons are completely covered in black crud to so I guess its time for a rebuild does this mean I have to get the motored bore out?

mustang six: oh so im prolly guessing it would be a good idea to replace these bolts... they should come with a rebuild gasket set but they prolly dont
 
yeah, the piston walls should have a cross-hatched hazing to them. If they are shiny and smooth, then your bores are worn out.

You'll probably have to order head bolts more then likely. Most rebuild kits don't include them.

Slade
 
You probably will have to have the cylinders bored. Strip the block down and take it to a machine shop. They can measure and tell you how worn they are. Take your crank too.
 
Well, if your replacing the crank then no. You'll need it for the core return. If your doing the strip down and reassembly yourself, you need to know what your doing. You should get yourself a book that explains it all. The main thing though is to mark your rod bearing caps so they go back on the same rod they came off of and also oriented the way they came off. Also, your main bearing caps need to be marked so they go back on in the same positions.
 
gumpn2":330f08nx said:
head isnt original but everything else is inside the block... when removing the head I believe about 3 bolts werent even tyte why the other tooks a bit of pressure to take off... sorry I just took the head off and the rods :|
I kept them so i'd know what was down low and what wasnt but I guess Imay have messed that up:| can I purchase new ones that give me instructions how to install them?

Several of the head bolts on the passenger side go through water passages. Thus, thread sealant is needed on these bolts. This is per the 1965 Ford Service Manual. Not sure which, so I recommend thread sealant on all head bolts. If the head has been milled by a prior owner, it is possible that the head bolts will bottem out in the holes without torquing down the head. Also, if the prior owner did not chase the threads in the bolt holes in the block, it is possible for crud to get down in the bottom of a hole and keep the bolt from torquing down the head. The solution is to use grade 8 or better flat washers underneath the bolt heads. ARP sells headbolts with washers for this application. If you are going to tear into the engine, get a service manual and follow the instructions completely, and in order. good luck.
 
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