What's this telling me? (pics of my cylinders)

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Pulled the head this afternoon to have some machining done on it. Here's what I found on top of the pistons. First two pics are #4, third pic is #3, fourth is #5. Other cylinders are about the same as 3 and 5; none are as bad as 4. The stuff you see is very light and flaky, not sooty. Is this an indication of plugs that are too cold? All the plugs look about the same, tan/gray, but they haven't been run more than a couple hundred miles.
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It looks like #4 is poorly combusting. 5 seems much happier. Got any chamber pictures, or images of the other pots?
 
If, your engine is fresh & is not burning oil don't worry.

Valve guides or valve seals could be causing this condition.

If you engine does not burn oil & your carburetion is ok, you don't have a preblem.

What do the spark plugs look like out of these cylinders????

If all looks good, & the compression test is equal, you are in great shape. William
 
Thanks guys for the comments. Like I said, I'm taking the head in for some work and want to make sure I get the problem corrected, if there is a problem. I'm having it milled, installing the FSPP oversize valves, three angle cut on the seats, and a port divider tacked in.

Here in left-to-right order are cyls 1/2, 3/4, 5/6 followed by chambers 2/1, 4/3, 6/5.

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Howdy 65_six:

Please satisfy my curiosity. What is the casting number on this head?

Thanks, in advance.

Adios, David
 
David,
Casting number is C5DE-6090-A, and then there's "X10" immediately following the number. Why do you ask?

Mark
 
Looks as though it's running a shade warmer on #1 - common, also that #5 is possibly experiencing more blow-by, and that there is/was valve stem seal leakage in quite a few of the pots.

Most of the valves appear to be in excellent condition, so it probably has not done many miles since the last head overhaul.

Regards, Adam.
 
Adam, what do you see in the pics that tells you all of this? I'm trying to learn as I go, and I'm sure others would be interested too.

I'm getting the FSPP oversize valves installed. Is there anything in particular that I should have done to correct for the leakage, like new guides? I'm assuming that new seals will be part of the process anyway.

thanks
Mark
 
Valve condition: There's visible evidence of a good healthy "margin" (edge of the face) protruding slightly above the chamber head in most of the chambers and valves. The valves don't have excessively crusty deposits of uneven burn patterns.

Oil seals: Many of the chambers show light oil staining that has wept past the valve seat. This isn particularly noticeable on the intake valves, being larger.

Combustion efficiency: The evenness of colour was what I looked for and #5 showed somewhat sootier in an even fashion. That implies to me, the oil is being fairly evenly misted into the chamber from blow-by, rather than sneaking in with the fuel/air. #1 is rather whiter in the chamber, and the piston top clean; this suggests hotter combustion temperatures.

New guides will usually be part of the new valves unless the old ones are a tolerable fit. The guide is used to centre the seat cutting tools, so this is why it matters. The oil seals are replaced as a matter of course, unless you are specifying the cut-in teflon type. Many motors delete the exhaust oil seals and some don't even worry about the intakes. It depends a little on head design, too for how much effect the seals have.

Hope this cleared up a few questions!

Regards, Adam.
 
Howdy Back Mark and all:

Not to worry. I just was interested to see the small chambers, they are more rounded in the corners oposite the plug side. We refer to this chamber as the "Kidney" shaped. It is an indication of the smaller chamber, pre-'60 heads with 52cc volume. These heads do generate a highe quench to bore ratio then later heads.

It is also a good chance that it is a Calif Emission head set up for the thermactic air injection system. Is it? Was it? If it was, do you still have the air injection tubes in the exhaust ports?

It it is and working as designed it should not effect the combustion patterns you are seeing on the pistons.

Just my OCD curiosity. And thanks again for satisfying me.

Adios, David
 
Thanks, Adam and David.

Adam, as far as I can tell this car was sold new in Oklahoma and spent its entire life there, until my dad bought it out of a barn. I've got the original owner's manual. There are no obvious air injection tubes in the ports, but if you tell me specifically what to look for, I'll do it.

Will this small chamber head be OK with the FSPP oversize valve upgrade and some milling to compensate for the FelPro gasket?
 
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