XT suspension

2nd.gunman

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hey guys just wondering what suspension and brake parts are interchangeable between XT falcons and later XA-XF?

I want to swap lower and upper control arms, front springs and shocks, rear wheel cylinders from an XC wagon i've recently acquired as a cheap replacement for the shot bushes in my XT sedan.

Also are XR and XT taillights interchangeable?
 
The fixing points for XR/XT taillights are the same. You can probably squeeze in XM buckets to freak people!

Upper arms swap from XR-XF. Later ones are rubber bushed (maybe available new and genuine still?) and smoother ride. A little tight to install in the shock tower. Shocks - yep, springs; I think so.

Got a feeling the lower arms probably do swap but not sure due to marked change in geometry with the XC onwards. Fairly sure the sway bars changed to wider at the ends, so that may tell the story.

XR-XT can use the repro Mustang front suspension parts for '68. Watch the internet and it may save a good few dollars.

At $25-30 a pair/set for most wheel cylinders and brake shoes, swapping in used gear isn't always the best way to spend time/effort. Fronts can be a little dearer, I suppose.

Regards, Adam.
 
Lower control arms are the same - the inner bush may need to be changed to suit the XT Camber Bolt (they have the small diameter one)

Not sure when the change to the larger camber bolt was made - XFs have the large ones...

The wider sway bars are due to 1" wider frame rail spacings up the front - also not sure when that came in but XR-XY are the same and narrower than an XF

Springs would be the same fitment - I like the aftermarket ones that you can lever off the seat without using a spring compressor...

I'm pretty sure you can also use the Later model steering knuckle, disc, caliper etc too - new rubber hoses are good insurance - nothing good about blowing one of those...
 
thanks guys i was pretty sure it all would fit, just wanted to get a second opinion. i was hoping to take advantage of the better geometry/bushes while still retaining the XT pbr power disc brakes.

thanks again
 
I get ½° less camber from 1966-1970 off the stub axle dimensions, and 1/16" longer steering arm in the same plane. Have yet to spec an XF, but that will be interesting. XC may lie between the two.
 
If your going to put an OHC in it later, I'd think seriously about upgrading to XF front suspension and brakes, and get rid of the remote booster.
 
There were no major frame rail changes, but a tower spacing change in 1979. The XD had a 1.5" wider, 61.5" track by virtue of tower widening and some new components.However, lots still interchages. The updated track rods got controlled wheel recession bushes, upgraded tie rods and bump stops, but the pitman arm and steering gear was all XA. There was a deformable front cross member, and an integrated firewall brace which makes the XD and XE's one of the harshest of Fords in the ride department.

The frame rails were the same as the XA to XC, the brake discs on an XD six swap over with an XC V8. The increase in track was all done by minor respacing the spring towers out in the producton line. This was ineffort to reduce turning circle, with large notches in the frame to clear the wheels. Didn't help much! Power steered XD to XG Falcon wagons had 13.2 meter wall to wall turning circles just like the XC.

There was a huge geometry improvement in the 1976 XC with the special upper control arms. It wasThe upper control arms were unchanged for the next 20 years and are interchangable with the XD/XE/XF/XG.

From my measurements, I don't think there was any change in frame rail centre spacings with the XA. Everything was shifted out by increaig the scrub radius and stub axles. Brake disc/drums there sat further out and contol arm offset was more. The rear axle was widened, but the leafs stayed in the same place. Front and rear track increased to 60 ", about what it was on the 1970 Torino, the cars being closely related. (Although the XA was the first Aussie styled design, by a Aussie Rosi, it was very much a Torino offshoot with, the Yanks pushing the Aussies to use the Torino platform) Steering box was different to the XR to XY, upper contol arms changed.

The XA was 1.5" up on track. The XR to XY was about 58.5".

The XW or XY got the big changes in a stronger upright to cope with the Kelsey Hayes ventilated disc brakes. It was basically the big block Fairlane spec.
 
I installed XF UCA's in my mate Dan's old XR Falcon. When I had an old arm out, we eyeballed it against a "new" one. No discernable difference in size, but a 3 bolt ball joint from memory.

I took ½ coil off each spring and it went down about 5/8" overall.
 
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There was a huge geometry improvement in the 1976 XC with the special upper control arms. It wasThe upper control arms were unchanged for the next 20 years and are interchangable with the XD/XE/XF/XG.

The XA was 1.5" up on track. The XR to XY was about 58.5".

The XW or XY got the big changes in a stronger upright to cope with the Kelsey Hayes ventilated disc brakes. It was basically the big block Fairlane spec.
I also can't see any difference in the Upper Control Arms - do you have more info re the huge geometry improvement?

XR/XT - Front and rear track = 58 inches
XW/XY - Front track = 58.9 inches, Rear track = 58.5 inches

XF - Front track = 61 inches, Rear track = 60 inches

I'm pretty sure XFs are wider between the frame rails and the engine mount pads than an XW/XY - I'll measure it up while I'm swapping the engine from the ZL into the ZD.
I have previously had a BW40 in a ZC and the column shifter linkage did not finish before the frame rail as it does on the XF - happily, where it sits lines up perfectly with that bolt-on inspection plate on the frame rail and all I had to do was to drill a hole in the plate at the right spot, pop in the bush from the XF bracket and it worked perfectly...
 
Somewhere I have a 1979 factory picture of the XD front susepension, detailing the updated components, and those carried over from the XC.

The XD and XC transmission cross member are the same, but the whole firewall bracket was removed when the XD came out. In the XR to XC, a flimsy pressed steel subframe was spot welded to the car, which isolates the car from transmission noise, vibration and harshness. The XD-XG ran a domed steel gusset which was a vibration source. The noiseist Falcon was the 1980 to 1982 alloy head XD 1/2, which was why Ford added more and more sound deadening to the XE and XF and XG variants. Drive an XD and then an XC, and notice how tinny it is over the bumps. It corners flatter, but has aweful directional stability, and the XD 5.8 was noted by Wheels staff as being less adpet than the earlier GXL 5.8 when pushed hard, an indication that shaving 280 kilograms off a car comes right out of its torsional bending.

If I recal, the centre of shock to shock distance between the spring towers is about 79.5" in the XC, and about 80.5" in the XD/XE/XF. The out riggers are very close the the front wheels on the XD, and its hard to fit the same sized tyres on an XD as you can on an XC.

Many XA and XB V8 owners add the XC upper control arms to get the wheels to stand up straighter in conrners. It does require a bit of haamer work. There must be bettter insulation and better location with the later 3 bolt trunions.

I've seen a 302 XW with XD upper control arms and uprights in an Aussie Ford mag.

Everyone I've spoken to seam to think the front end was widened at the eleventh hour by Ford when the better handling Commodore came out.
 
the update in geometry was late in XC production, early in 1978 when they went from the ford letters across the bonnet and boot to the blue oval in the centre of the grille and LHS of the boot.

if the later UCA and LCA use different ball joints to earlier cars are they the same size shaft. will they work with earlier stub axles? i really want to keep my current brakes.
 
2nd.gunman":3cuehnz0 said:
if the later UCA and LCA use different ball joints to earlier cars are they the same size shaft. will they work with earlier stub axles? i really want to keep my current brakes.
Yep - that is the setup I am currently running in the ZC - XF UCA and LCA - the only fitting issue was that one of those bracing things at the inner end of the UCA was sticking out a bit too much on one side - ground the corner off it and it went in perfectly...

In fact, you can even use the later stub axle with your brakes - you just use the later bearings and the early grease slinger thingy that is held to the stub by 3 bolts...
Calipers interchange between stubs - don't we love the Henrys?
 
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