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Post #1 by StarDiero75 » Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:24 pm

Howdy guys,

I'm looking at saving some more ponies so I'm looking into getting an electric fan in the car. The car usually runs pretty cool so I'd like this to help bring the car up to temp. It can be a puller style if it fits between a stock setup 65 Ranchero 200 or pusher if it doesnt quite fit between the radiator and water pump.

What are you all's experience with electric fans and what ones did you use? I'd like mine to kick on based off of temperature, would the sensor just go into the thermostat housing?

Let me know,
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Post #2 by Econoline » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:52 pm

That's how I did mine. I used a large 2 row early mustang radiator with 1 1/8" cores and a 16" fan w/shroud controlled by a temp switch in the thermostat housing. It works well, even in the hot and tiny doghouse the engine is crammed into. The 250 has bigger hoses so finding a large 2 row with the right sized ports may be difficult with a 170/200. But the fan setup does exactly what it's supposed to. I wired it through a relay from the battery to the fan w/a fuse. The power to the temp switch is ignition run. You can wire it from the battery but then it will run till cool after shutdown or kill the battery if the switch sticks.

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OEM Econoline brass and copper 144/170 radiator on the left and SBF Mustang radiator on the right. The big difference is that the mounting tabs are on on the wrong side of the radiator. On a van they are on the front of the core and on a mustang they are on the back.
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Post #3 by StarDiero75 » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:34 pm

Econoline wrote:That's how I did mine. I used a large 2 row early mustang radiator with 1 1/8" cores and a 16" fan w/shroud controlled by a temp switch in the thermostat housing. It works well, even in the hot and tiny doghouse the engine is crammed into. The 250 has bigger hoses so finding a large 2 row with the right sized ports may be difficult with a 170/200. But the fan setup does exactly what it's supposed to. I wired it through a relay from the battery to the fan w/a fuse. The power to the temp switch is ignition run. You can wire it from the battery but then it will run till cool after shutdown or kill the battery if the switch sticks.

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Thats great man, that doesn't sound too difficult.

Do you know of a setup that allows me to rig up the fan to my stock radiator? Mine doesn't have any issues and has been checked and all.
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Post #4 by Georgia200 » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:35 pm

Ebay has some nice units.

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Post #5 by StarDiero75 » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:04 pm

Georgia200 wrote:Ebay has some nice units.

Ebay has great prices. I'm just scared they might be garbage
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Post #6 by Econoline » Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:40 am

They can be zip tied on through the core. Looking at my post I mis-stated the wiring scheme. The relay's coil is powered by ignition run and the temp switch goes to ground when made and is tied to the other side of the relay coil.
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Post #7 by StarDiero75 » Wed Feb 20, 2019 2:36 am

Econoline wrote:They can be zip tied on through the core. Looking at my post I mis-stated the wiring scheme. The relay's coil is powered by ignition run and the temp switch goes to ground when made and is tied to the other side of the relay coil.

If its wired through the ignition, doesn't it draw power away from the coil? Maybe I'm not reading that right. I'm not super experienced electronics and wiring, but i did find out how to hook up my HEI properly lol.
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Post #8 by Georgia200 » Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:15 am

The Ebay radiators have a 2-5 year warranty.

Thats the route Im going.

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Post #9 by Phase3 » Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:41 am

I use a fan on alot of my cars thats from a 1996 thunderbird 4.6L. Started finding them at u pull it yards but now ive found there about 62 dollars from rock auto. Large single fan i believe its 16 inch but has a 2 speed motor. I have only ever needed the low speed. I used the tyc brand last from rock auto. Just throwing out another option
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Post #10 by Econoline » Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:03 am

It's just a relay, it uses very little power. You could also use the acc circuit instead. So long as it's on when running and off otherwise. I power my ignition system directly from the battery through a relay as well. I don't know the size of falcon radiators but if they are similar to ours there is a 2 speed Taurus fan that is insanely strong people like to use on the vans, might be the same one as Phase3 pointed out for the T'birds. The shroud is close enough to be cut a bit to fit the radiator. Then they'll either run one of the two speeds or use a 2 speed fan controller from a Volvo.
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Post #11 by Georgia200 » Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:29 pm

The T-Bird fan is a nice unit.

I hear the Contour fans also work well and are thinner than the T-Bird fan.

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Post #12 by Eco6forMe » Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:32 pm

Econoline wrote:That's how I did mine. I used a large 2 row early mustang radiator with 1 1/8" cores and a 16" fan w/shroud controlled by a temp switch in the thermostat housing. It works well, even in the hot and tiny doghouse the engine is crammed into. The 250 has bigger hoses so finding a large 2 row with the right sized ports may be difficult with a 170/200. But the fan setup does exactly what it's supposed to. I wired it through a relay from the battery to the fan w/a fuse. The power to the temp switch is ignition run. You can wire it from the battery but then it will run till cool after shutdown or kill the battery if the switch sticks.

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That looks nice. How much for that set-up with the Fan? Is this on an automatic?
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Post #13 by Econoline » Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:37 pm

It's been a few years, I think it was around $250. The fan is supposedly ~2200 cfm. It works good, looks cheap (chromed plastic motor and frame). The shroud is nice. I don't remember who the seller was, it was off ebay. I emailed him about it and he was adamant that 2-row was the best and it was a good product. 1 1/8" core 2-row radiators cool better and don't plug up as quick. I think he was right. I liked how it had thick formed tanks, instead of welded up. It has an a/t cooling loop in it. I'm running an aod. I run the fluid through it and then another coil at the front grill and back to the tranny
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Post #14 by gus91326 » Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:39 pm

I've used this fan for a few years now with no issues:
https://the-fan-man.com/product/16-spal ... -fan-s400/

It's the thinnest I could find, is a name brand, and is pretty cheap. These guys will also sell you a kit to flush mount the fan as well.

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Post #15 by StarDiero75 » Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:41 pm

Here's what I've found

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/spu-ix-30100400/

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/spu-ix-195fh/

I wish i could spend less on a wiring kit lol. But i dont want stuff thats gonna go out.
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Post #16 by Phase3 » Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:11 am

I also use a temp switch from standard ts158t. I believe its from a turbo coupe.. but it closes at 205 and opens around 195. There around 14 dollars from rock auto. The plug on the top is an injector plug i believe. Could double check on that if you wanted to go that route
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Post #17 by gus91326 » Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:04 pm

StarDiero75 wrote:Here's what I've found

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/spu-ix-30100400/

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/spu-ix-195fh/

I wish i could spend less on a wiring kit lol. But i dont want stuff thats gonna go out.


That fan is the one I have- good unit. The rest of the wiring harness you can create yourself. The only thing you're going to need it the relay, fuse holder, and temp sensor. Those things together will run you maybe $30. The rest is wiring/connectors.

This is a good diagram that illustrates how easy it is- please note that the fan ground is missing from the diagram.

https://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachm ... ct-fan.jpg

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gus91326 wrote:
StarDiero75 wrote:Here's what I've found

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/spu-ix-30100400/

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/spu-ix-195fh/

I wish i could spend less on a wiring kit lol. But i dont want stuff thats gonna go out.


That fan is the one I have- good unit. The rest of the wiring harness you can create yourself. The only thing you're going to need it the relay, fuse holder, and temp sensor. Those things together will run you maybe $30. The rest is wiring/connectors.

This is a good diagram that illustrates how easy it is- please note that the fan ground is missing from the diagram.

https://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachm ... ct-fan.jpg

Oh sick! How is it on noise? I heard electric fans can be noisy, is it any louder than the stock fan?

And thanks for the diagram. You're saving me money lol
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Post #19 by Georgia200 » Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:06 pm

This is the fan controller RA sells for $32.

Whats wrong with it?

https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.ph ... 90&jsn=641

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Post #20 by Econoline » Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:54 pm

That's one of those units you jam the probe through the radiator fins. You don't really need a 'controller' All you need is a cheapo 1 wire temp switch, a 40 amp standard relay and a fuse. The temp switch goes to ground when it's made and makes the relay and throws a fused power wire from the battery to the fan.
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Post #21 by StarDiero75 » Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:16 am

Econoline wrote:That's one of those units you jam the probe through the radiator fins. You don't really need a 'controller' All you need is a cheapo 1 wire temp switch, a 40 amp standard relay and a fuse. The temp switch goes to ground when it's made and makes the relay and throws a fused power wire from the battery to the fan.

So a little temp sender like the one for my gauge, but sitting in the thermostat housing?
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Post #22 by Econoline » Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:23 am

Kind of. Except it is a switch. One like this, https://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-200-TO-185-DEGREE-ELECTRIC-ENGINE-COOLING-FAN-THERMOSTAT-SWITCH/262061213707?epid=1242408422&hash=item3d0410c80b:g:MOQAAOSwMxJb4-H0:rk:17:pf:0 You want a switch that won't be fighting the thermostat. iow, off at or before the thermostat closes. iirc, I had a 180F stat and the switch came in @ 200 and is off at 185. Now I have a 160 stat and the switch comes in at 185 and is off at 170. Electric fans are somewhat loud fyi, if they are high volume ones anyway. Also, they draw some juice, so your alternator needs to be up to the task of running one.

I can draw you a wiring diagram.
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Post #23 by gus91326 » Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:36 pm

What Econoline said. :)

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Post #24 by Econoline » Sat Feb 23, 2019 2:48 pm

Here's the wiring:

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The dotted alternative wiring would keep the circuit powered after shut down and the fan will run until the temp switch is satisfied, if you aren't worried about running the battery down from the fan running until it cools down the switch. Which can take some time and if the switch were to fail closed it would run the battery dead. It would be wired in lieu of the switched power source. And technically that wire should be 10 ga wire b/c it is protected by a 30 amp fuse, although I wouldn't worry about it that much being it is only powering a relay and does have a fuse.

All the battery to fan wiring should be 10 ga. but the switched +12v wire and the wire to the fan switch can be 14 or 16 gauge. If the source of the switched wire is unprotected with a fuse you can put a 5 or 10 amp fuse inline close to its source. Getting a relay wiring loom/connector pigtail is cheap and simplifies wiring and mounting the relay. They are available at any auto parts store.

FYI, in the event that the fan temp switch were ever to fail open and create an overheating situation you can simply ground the wire going to it and the fan will run constantly when the car is running, allowing you to get back home or continue to drive the car until a replacement can be installed.
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Post #25 by StarDiero75 » Sat Feb 23, 2019 3:18 pm

Econoline wrote:Here's the wiring:

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The dotted alternative wiring would keep the circuit powered after shut down and the fan will run until the temp switch is satisfied, if you aren't worried about running the battery down from the fan running until it cools down the switch. Which can take some time and if the switch were to fail closed it would run the battery dead. It would be wired in lieu of the switched power source. And technically that wire should be 10 ga wire b/c it is protected by a 30 amp fuse, although I wouldn't worry about it that much being it is only powering a relay and does have a fuse.

All the battery to fan wiring should be 10 ga. but the switched +12v wire and the wire to the fan switch can be 14 or 16 gauge. If the source of the switched wire is unprotected with a fuse you can put a 5 or 10 amp fuse inline close to its source. Getting a relay wiring loom/connector pigtail is cheap and simplifies wiring and mounting the relay. They are available at any auto parts store.

FYI, in the event that the fan temp switch were ever to fail open and create an overheating situation you can simply ground the wire going to it and the fan will run constantly when the car is running, allowing you to get back home or continue to drive the car until a replacement can be installed.

Man that is amazing! I will buy one right after i finish getting all my disk brake stuff squared away. It is pretty easy to do. Nice diagram.

I'll post back when i bought it and have it all hooked up. Thanks a lot Econoline!

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Post #26 by Max_Effort » Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:10 pm

You can pick up an OEM fan for cheap at a U-pull junkyard. These Volvo S70 / 850 fans are powerful and reasonably compact.
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Post #27 by Creechn32 » Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:27 pm

I'm going to have to hit a pickNpull. I've been thinkin of adding an electric fan also. This is great information...
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Post #28 by StarDiero75 » Mon Feb 25, 2019 9:07 pm

Looks like im finally starting to get leaks in the radiator. I'm noticing a little bit of coolant coming from the top section and around the base of the radiator cap. Not what i wanted to spend money on but i guess it looks like im getting a radiator/fan combo
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Post #29 by Econoline » Mon Feb 25, 2019 10:22 pm

If your radiator is original you might consider having it re-cored. We've got a great old school radiator shop in Burlington, there's got to be one down your way.
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Post #30 by StarDiero75 » Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:03 am

Econoline wrote:If your radiator is original you might consider having it re-cored. We've got a great old school radiator shop in Burlington, there's got to be one down your way.

It's not the original. It looks like someone shifted the upper water inlet from the left side to the right. I'll call the local guy and see what he says. Seems like a good guy, always had fair prices.
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Post #31 by chad » Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:15 pm

C posts #26 & 10:
"...the Tarus fans...
complete write up here - or wuz it oneada stang sites...?
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Post #32 by chad » Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:03 pm

Tarus/Sable, 3.8L frm early 90s (same is in a vovo) 3 wires (has 2 speeds), one (not 2) fan. Grab temp sensor, shroud & harness as there’s resistors in there. On “hi” it may over draw ur measily oem alternator.

Here’s a thread, but not the 1 I seek:

http://classicbroncos.com/forums/showth ... p?t=152828

I’ll keep lookin. It may B in my archive & I’m onto another puter as that 1 aged out/broke it’s final time. Will keep lookin

(1st one's close to what I have somewhere)
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https://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/200 ... /index.php
http://www.etnracing.com/pages/Tech/FanControl.htm
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Post #33 by Econoline » Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:55 pm

Max_Effort wrote:You can pick up an OEM fan for cheap at a U-pull junkyard. These Volvo S70 / 850 fans are powerful and reasonably compact.


What do these measure with the shroud?
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