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Smoke From Carb!

Post #1 by bones 92 » Fri Aug 02, 2019 10:08 pm

Hey all, this is my first post on the forum! I have had my ford for only a few months and it is almost there! Car hasn't moved in 20 years so I have read here and gained a ton on knowledge, and have done a lot of trouble shooting to this post based on what I could find. However, my issue is when the car is cold after sitting all night, I hop in turn the key and it fires right up! will come to an idle and then surge revving up and down until it stalls. Sometimes If i keep feeding it some gas I can keep it running but obviously that's not the goal - and only sometimes. Main issue is fuel delivery. I have adjusted points, new fuel lines, filters pre and post pump, new coil, ignition switch, and other stuff I'm forgetting I'm sure, double and triple checked wiring also. So Once the car stalls there is vapor or smoke coming out of the top of the carb and if I let the carb spray fuel, more smoke. The carb bowl feels warm to the touch, fuel lines are still cool. I feel like it isn't running long enough (5 minutes before stalling) to be vapor lock. It's almost like it hits the intake manifold and evaporates. Please help me :bang: ! I have some skill but am not a pro by any means. Thanks in advance!
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1962 Falcon Barn Find: Stock 144, LOM & SVC holley 1909. Freshly "rebuilt" new rings, bearings, and overall cleanup on all engine components. Almost up and running, starts and idles but no vroom vroom. :beer:

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Re: Smoke From Carb!

Post #2 by bubba22349 » Fri Aug 02, 2019 10:44 pm

Congrats on getting your car running after it’s been setting for 20 years that’s a real accomplishment. Did you rebuild the carb too? If no this is the place to start. Good luck :thumbup: :nod:
A bad day Drag Racing is still better than a good day at work!

I am still hunting for a project car to build but with my current low budget it's not looking so good. My Ex- Fleet of Sixes these are all long gone! :bang: 1954 Customline 223 3 speed with O/D, 1963 Fairlane project drag car with BB6, 1977 Maverick 250 with C4, 1994 F-150 a 300 with 5 speed.

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Post #3 by chad » Fri Aug 02, 2019 11:34 pm

W E L C O M E !!!
& stick around, lotta good guys who offer top notch advice !

Step One may B to ID all the components U have (which carb, head, motor, rear end, etc)
as U must start out w/what ya got B4 changing, modin, knowin just whats there to get it
to its optimum. \Sounds like ur on the right path as U have done a lill research. R U
familiar w/the LOM/SCV dizzy/carb feedback system? What model/yr carb'n ign system do U have?
As U may know "the Handbook" and tech archive compose 1/2 - 3/4 of the recommended
research materials. This system is IDed'n reviewed there...
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"Big thing is only make one change at a time. Change 2 or more things at a time it becomes difficult to figure which change helped or hurt" turbo2256b » 1/16/2017
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Re: Smoke From Carb!

Post #4 by B RON CO » Sat Aug 03, 2019 7:59 am

Hi,the trouble could be in the carb, like dirt, stuck needle and seat (gentle tapping with a plastic screwdriver handle on the top of the carb by the fuel inlet can fix a stuck needle), stuck float (same fix).
Before I tore in the carb, I would check the fuel pump for volume of fuel by removing the fuel line at the carb and hold a coffee can under the fuel line and while the engine is cranking, using a remote starter switch on the solenoid or have a helper turn the key, see how long it takes to fill a coffee can. A good fuel pump will fill a coffee can in about 20 seconds.
Be very careful working around gasoline.
And get the Ford Falcon Performance Handbook to get the most out of your Ford six.
Good luck
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Smoke From Carb could B "vaporized/mist" of gasoline

Post #5 by chad » Sat Aug 03, 2019 9:24 am

2 X ^^^^^ "...Ford Falcon Performance Handbook..."
many of us patronize Matt at vintage inlines dot com
(@ about $25 I believe) as he caters to our 6 "Falcon" - Thrift Power motors (1960 - '96).
"Big thing is only make one change at a time. Change 2 or more things at a time it becomes difficult to figure which change helped or hurt" turbo2256b » 1/16/2017
Chad - '70 LUEB on '77 frame (i.e. PS, D44, trapezoidal BB 9", 4.11), '69 250ci, NV 3550 & DSII, "T" D20/PTO, 2" SL, 1" BL, 4 discs, 33"X15", tool boxes, etc. Seeking: Hydraulic gear motor for Koenig pto. chrlsful@aol.com (413) 259-1749

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Re: Smoke From Carb!

Post #6 by bones 92 » Sat Aug 03, 2019 12:12 pm

Thanks for all the fast replies! Sorry I left out some major points about the car itself, from what I have read but don't know how to confirm its got the 144, and the 3 speed manual trans. Its mated with a holley 1909 carb, rebuild kits are pretty straight forward for this which I tried earlier this week and still no luck. Reset the float level a few times, same results with it properly set, too high and too low. fuel pressure seems good with the coffee can trick, plenty of gas is coming out to fill the bowl. I have a lot of pictures so I will get those posted soon.

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1962 Falcon Barn Find: Stock 144, LOM & SVC holley 1909. Freshly "rebuilt" new rings, bearings, and overall cleanup on all engine components. Almost up and running, starts and idles but no vroom vroom. :beer:

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runnin beddah

Post #7 by chad » Sat Aug 03, 2019 1:36 pm

"...don't know how to confirm its got the ...."
that's Y I mention "the Handbook", I would think "yr" would B 1st. Loook on pass side of block, to rear of the dwn tube
of exhaust. 2 or 3 rows of #/ltrs. Report back numbers/ltrs.
C= 60s
D= 70s
2nd position = yr of manufacture. Clean w/brush & solvent if the lill guy aint seen no lub in ages. As mentioned - take care around hot prts'n flammables...
the 144 is '60 - 64 only. Has 3 frost plugs above the #/ltrs U just gathered. Some 1 else may help U find & decode tags (in door jamb?).
"Big thing is only make one change at a time. Change 2 or more things at a time it becomes difficult to figure which change helped or hurt" turbo2256b » 1/16/2017
Chad - '70 LUEB on '77 frame (i.e. PS, D44, trapezoidal BB 9", 4.11), '69 250ci, NV 3550 & DSII, "T" D20/PTO, 2" SL, 1" BL, 4 discs, 33"X15", tool boxes, etc. Seeking: Hydraulic gear motor for Koenig pto. chrlsful@aol.com (413) 259-1749

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Re: Smoke From Carb!

Post #8 by bones 92 » Sun Aug 04, 2019 2:21 pm

Ok so i feel silly but the only numbers i see on the block by the exhaust is a "12". info from door tag comes out to this:
1962-
58A 4 dr coupe
E Viking Blue
22 5,6- cloth,blue
21E - 21st of May
51 - Denver
5 - 3:50:1 - open rear
1 - 3sp. manual

Here is a google link with a lot of pictures, some are just random but there is a short video in there of my carb issue and also the numbers on the block that I found. Going back out to try and find other markings..https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... MaO-EmcqLh
1962 Falcon Barn Find: Stock 144, LOM & SVC holley 1909. Freshly "rebuilt" new rings, bearings, and overall cleanup on all engine components. Almost up and running, starts and idles but no vroom vroom. :beer:

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Post #9 by chad » Sun Aug 04, 2019 3:06 pm

bones 92 wrote:Ok so i feel silly but the only numbers i see on the block by the exhaust is a "12". info from door tag comes out to...Here is a google link with a lot of pictures

I'll say alota pic. Will try'n weed my way thru

"...Clean w/brush & solvent if the lill guy aint seen no lub in ages. As mentioned - take care around hot prts'n flammables...
the 144 is '60 - 64 only. Has 3 frost plugs above the #/ltrs U just gathered. Some 1 else may help U find & decode tags..."

The 'plugs' look like circular indents - top of block, below head, run horizontally acc the block, also behind that 'dwn tube' of the exhaust. Time to order The Ford...Six Cyl. Performance Handbook frm Matt...

EDIT
U, mah man, R heroic. It took me 3 - 5 broncos in '83/4 to make my 1'n noneadem were as bad as the 1 U have come from. The "12" is not it. The numbers we seek R above & well to the left or other side of that down tube...
AND
as bubs sez below: "...there will be a flat boss..." but to me that is harder to find than these big numbers I mention...
C'mo back @ us w/what you find - nuttin? we'll direct you better...
Again CONGRATS !!! :thumbup: for what you've accomplished so far. When U get the Handbook - I think U will C U don't have the correct yr carb (the LOM/SCV dizzy/carb 'feedback' system...I saw no SCV on the side of that Holley - I may B wrong tho!).

Lastly, yes, that smoke is not smoke, its vaporized gas. U want that. Blip the throttle & it appears - success. Do it w/the key in on position - it get sucked into the 'log' (long tube like intake) & onto combustion chambers to start/run the vehicle...
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Post #10 by bubba22349 » Sun Aug 04, 2019 3:09 pm

From your pictures your car looks to have the orginal engine still in it. To verify this looking at the right front top corner (just below the head deck) of the engine block there will be a flat boss on all 1960 to 63 engines. That will have either an N stamped in it code for a 144 six or a T code for a 170 six. The Casting / Design numbers and a Date Codes are also cast into the major parts like block, head, ect. The head number is right on top of the intake log next to the carburetor. You if you are planing to restore your car to Factory Original I wrote a post on the correct engine colors Ford the sec for these early six'es too see below link. Something else to do that is almost free and can have a big effect on a car that has sat unused that many years is to clean up the electrical and ground connections really well on the car so that they are all good snug contacts. If your engine is an original 1962 it will have a solid lifter cam. Have you checked the Hot valve lash or done valve lash setting yet? Have you done a compression test yet? If so what were the results?

Here is info on how the stock Load O Matic (LOM) distribitor works too.
https://fordsix.com/ci/Loadomatic.html

Here are the Stock 1962 144 or 170 Tune up specs
Distribitor rotates CW firing order is 153624
Autolite BF-82 plugs gaped at .034.
Basic Points setting gapping them at .025 but for the very best performance your looking for a Dwell setting of 37 Degrees.
Base timing is set to 4 Degrees BTDC for a Standard ( Stick) trans and 12 Degrees BTDC for a Automatic trans.
Idle RPM is 550 to 600 RPM for a Standard Trans and 500 to 525 RPM with an Auto Trans in Drive, parking brake set,
Fuel pressure is 4.5 PSI

To get most accurate tune up with a orginal point ignition always use of a tach / dwell meter, and also a timing light. This is the procedure I have used for decades to quickly do a precision tune up.

A good tune up follows this order of work.
1. Set the plug gap to .034
2. Set the points basic setting to .025 after its running set the Dwell Angel to factory spec of 37 degrees.
3. Now you need to set the timing to the 6 degrees (with stick Trans) or 12 degrees (Auto Trans) base timing vacuum line disconnected and plugged. You can also try more base timing to as much as 16 degrees but if there is any hint of pinging when you try it driving it up a slight grade then back it off until it stops. Reinstall the vaccum line to the Distribitor after setting the base timing.
4. With engine warmed up good, the intake and exhaust valve lash is set to .016 hot.
5. With warmed up good and the choke blade is fully open too. Set the Idle mixture to its Lean Best Idle. ie set to highest idle RPM then turn the mixture screw in 1/4 turn to lean it. See Addistional Notes below.
6. Set the curb idle speed to 550 to 600 RPM if standard Trans. Set idle RPM's to 500 to 525 RPM with an Auto trans in drive parking brake set, wheels chocked with block of wood, or you can have someone set in it and hold the brakes.
7. Repeat 5. & 6. To see if it improves anymore. When properly tuned these engines (when warmed up) will restart without even touching the gas pedal.

Addistional Notes
You might also test your coils output with the volt / ohm meter to see that it's within spec. Or you can do it by watching the spark color (a Bright Blue) and the lenght it can jump to cap terminal (from 1/2 inch or more).

While doing the tune up settings to the carb mixture and curb idle setting the engine needs everything installed and hooked up just as it will be operated! This includes having the Air Cleaner with a clean air filter installed and the PCV hooked up if your engine has one. If you want to use a Vacuum gauge then hook that up to the Intake Log below the Carb you would be looking for about a steady 17 inches of vacuum at idle RPM. Good luck in your tuning. A good upgrade for these engines is a Pertronix Ignitor engine still looks stock but gives you a hotter spark. Good luck :thumbup: :nod:

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Re: Smoke From Carb!

Post #11 by StarDiero75 » Sun Aug 04, 2019 3:42 pm

If you have smoke coming from the carb, would this not be an ignition issue guys? I had an issue where the negative on my hei came undone while i was driving and it took me about 10 mins to figure it out. I finally realized that if smoke is coming out of the carb when the engine is hot, that means the gas is not being ignited, thus its an ignition issue. If you just changed a bunch of that stuff, maybe you didn't adjust something right or didn't replace something you should have.
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gas vapor From Carb, no air cleaner

Post #12 by chad » Sun Aug 04, 2019 3:49 pm

hafta look, not read
he's not crackin
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Post #13 by bones 92 » Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:19 pm

You guys rock! I'll try to cover everything you all asked, As you can tell this is my first huge overhaul so I'm trying to be as specific as I can!
First of all i have ordered the handbook, i'm sure that will help!
I'll have to get to scrubbing because the motor is so dirty and need to find all the org numbers but the thing is just super dirty still.
From what you guys are saying is its most likely an ignition issue?
I have done a compression test its pretty low at 75-90 on all 6, not sure if that's two low to let it run.
I have the firing order correct, I adjusted the points to .025 need to check the dwell though.
I have not checked the valve lash, i'm sure there is a thread on it.
Had the timing at 6 degrees
I will go through and do the entire tune up in sequence with the dwell meter tomorrow (if i can get it to run long enough)

Side note I also noticed the generator sparking on the inside through a slot in the casing. Something to replace/big issue? I saw a lot of people doing the alternator conversion.

Thanks for all the help so far!
1962 Falcon Barn Find: Stock 144, LOM & SVC holley 1909. Freshly "rebuilt" new rings, bearings, and overall cleanup on all engine components. Almost up and running, starts and idles but no vroom vroom. :beer:

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Post #14 by bubba22349 » Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:58 pm

The engine will likely run with only the 70 to 90 psi may not be good but you will likely get a somewhat better compression test result after the valve lash is set correctly. The engine compression may also improve with some use to since it was setting so long or it may need to be taken apart and everything cleaned up real good, some time and experimenting will let you know.

On your generator sparking since that car sat for so long the gens commentator is probably dirty and needs to be cleaned with emery paper or recut it may also need a set of new brushes & bearings, you could swap it out for rebuilt unit or even convert to an alternator just depends on your goals / plans for the use of your car. Good luck :thumbup: :nod:
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Post #15 by chad » Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:00 am

"...not sure if that's two low to let it run..."
its abt being w/in % of each other too.

"... are sayin its ignition ..."
yes/no. Ign should be squared away 1st in sequence of operation...
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Re: Smoke From Carb!

Post #16 by bones 92 » Sun Mar 01, 2020 11:15 pm

Hey Everyone,

So it's been a long hiatus from the Falcon with cold weather and lack of time in general. I FINALLY got back out there today with my dad, and this is what we found / what is happening:
1. 90% sure is the the 144 BUT no casting code on the block (Picture attached to see if I'm still exploring the right spot) nor an N or T on the front of the block but if someone has a picture of where the N or T should be I will look again tomorrow.
2. Replaced the started after it started grinding - new starter engages great and I will check the gear to make sure its not tearing up the flywheel or starter again.
3. (Last thing) Sat in the car set the choke almost all the way closed and BOOM started right up! This was promising after sitting through winter and not moving in months out of the snow. After about 3-5 minutes it seemed like it was warming up and then it died. It seemed like it was pretty happy until this moment, then all of a sudden it wont start.

It was still cranking great, still had spark, fuel was filling the filter, no matter where the choke was it never sounded like it was going to start again.

So my question now is where do I go from here as far as trouble shooting why it won't even idol. Please help! with warm weather around the corner I am motivated to get this thing on the road!

Thanks as usual, sorry if any of this is redundant, and hopefully someone has some idea of what the issue may be.
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1962 Falcon Barn Find: Stock 144, LOM & SVC holley 1909. Freshly "rebuilt" new rings, bearings, and overall cleanup on all engine components. Almost up and running, starts and idles but no vroom vroom. :beer:

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Post #17 by bubba22349 » Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:05 am

From your pictures and cylinder head Casting / Design Numbers your car looks to have the orginal 144 engine in it to me. To verify this standing in front of the car facing the engine and looking at the right front top corner (just below the head deck) of the engine block there will be a flat boss on all 1960 to 63 engines. That will have either an N stamped in it code for a 144 six or a T code for a 170 six (see below link) some of the engines (later years like 63 or 64) are not always stamped and will then have a metal tag. The Casting / Design numbers and a Date Codes are also cast into the major parts like block, head, ect. The head number is right on top of the intake log next to the carburetor. Check this link for the second picture it is the location of block code on 144 or 170 engines. Sounds like you made a little progress you will need to focus more on the carb and its condition. Good luck :thumbup: :nod:

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Post #18 by bones 92 » Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:55 am

I hate to sound stupid in this question, but I just went outside and looked for the N or T again and maybe I don't understand where this should be. I looked on the right front top of the head and don't see a flat bossed area. Do I have to remove something to see it? I saw the picture but I guess its not clear enough for me to understand. (I know I will feel silly once I find it) I will scrape some more junk tomorrow after work..
1962 Falcon Barn Find: Stock 144, LOM & SVC holley 1909. Freshly "rebuilt" new rings, bearings, and overall cleanup on all engine components. Almost up and running, starts and idles but no vroom vroom. :beer:

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Post #19 by B RON CO » Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:41 am

Hi, since your Falcon started and ran for a few minutes, and then stalled,with no hope of firing up again I have twp guesses.
Maybe the engine is flooding so while it is running look for fuel dumping into the venturi from the bowl vent. That would mean the needle, seat, and float is not controlling the fuel level. If fuel is dumping into the engine pull a spark plug and it will be wet. There is also a good chance of raw gas washing down the cylinder walls and mixing with the oil. If that is happening, the oil is diluting, and may raise the level on the dip stick, and you will need to change the oil soon.
The other guess is the fuel, or not enough fuel is getting into carb bowl. The engine burns the fuel in the bowl and stalls. The bowl is empty and won't fill fast enough. The causes are weak fuel pump, crack in a fuel line, dirt in the carb, or clogged filter(s). Are you sure the rubber line at the sender and the fuel pump are good? Can you gently blow compressed air from the connection at the fuel pump into the gas tank and hear bubbles? If the tank, sender, or line from the tank are in question, you can feed gas from a gallon can under the fuel pump with a rubber hose and hopefully the engine will run all day from the remote gas tank.
Or, what I would look at first, needle, seat, or stuck float.
If the engine runs out of gas and stalls the plugs will be dry.
If it was my engine I would pull a spark plug after it stalls, and if the plug is wet, take apart the carb. If the plug is dry, I would pour a a shot glass of gas into the carb and see if it fires up.
Good luck
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Post #20 by bones 92 » Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:12 am

Hey B RON CO, So funny enough I have done most of this already! I used a remote tank under the pump to eliminate other variables, (even though I replaced the fuel tank and sending unit and cleared out the lines) I just wanted to see exactly what was happening with the remote tank. Started and ran for a few minutes, I pulled the plugs after no start and cranking it several times, plugs and top of the cylinder were both bone dry (a little carbon build up from it not getting up to temp but dry none the less). Then tried exactly what you say to try and dumped just a little fuel into the carb and same result, no start. I will be checking it out more tonight and I excited to keep testing so let me know what to try next!
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Post #21 by bubba22349 » Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:33 pm

bones 92 wrote:I hate to sound stupid in this question, but I just went outside and looked for the N or T again and maybe I don't understand where this should be. I looked on the right front top of the head and don't see a flat bossed area. Do I have to remove something to see it? I saw the picture but I guess its not clear enough for me to understand. (I know I will feel silly once I find it) I will scrape some more junk tomorrow after work..


No you don't need to remove anything but this boss is also not on top of the head, It's location is on the top of the short block assembly. In the above posted picture you are looking at the top of the cylinder blocks deck surface. Follow the head down to its bottom surface were you will see the parting line at the head gasket between the head surface and the top of the blocks deck surface. This is where the boss is located (on the drivers side front of engine).

You said the plugs are bone dry after it shuts off! So next time the engine stalls or right now if it still won't start do a recheck of the fuel pump test to see if it's still pumping any fuel volume. Good luck :thumbup: :nod:
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I am still hunting for a project car to build but with my current low budget it's not looking so good. My Ex- Fleet of Sixes these are all long gone! :bang: 1954 Customline 223 3 speed with O/D, 1963 Fairlane project drag car with BB6, 1977 Maverick 250 with C4, 1994 F-150 a 300 with 5 speed.

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Post #22 by bones 92 » Mon Mar 02, 2020 2:33 pm

Thank Bubba, I’ll check for that dang N tonight. I’m determined to find it. On the other notes I started it this morning and it’s crazy how fast it starts first try with no throttle, I’m suspect of the fuel pump. I ordered one this afternoon and will test the old one tonight. I’m pretty sure it’s the pump because it won’t pull fuel from the tank and I’ve replaced the tank and the pickup inside, as well as cleared the line before doing any of that. I’ll report back tonight with my findings. Thanks for your fast response!
1962 Falcon Barn Find: Stock 144, LOM & SVC holley 1909. Freshly "rebuilt" new rings, bearings, and overall cleanup on all engine components. Almost up and running, starts and idles but no vroom vroom. :beer:

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Post #23 by bubba22349 » Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:32 pm

You are welcome bones 92, yes the fact that it starts quickly means that your tune up settings may be very close to the optimal. Also that the points, plugs, cap, rotor, plug wires, coil, ignistion switch, battery and electrical wiring, are all in good working order. So you do have the spark and air that the engine needs to run leaving only the fuel delivery to be the problem. From your description of what it's doing I am with you on your reasoning that it leaves the fuel pump to be the cause of no fuel to the carb. Good luck :thumbup: :nod:
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I am still hunting for a project car to build but with my current low budget it's not looking so good. My Ex- Fleet of Sixes these are all long gone! :bang: 1954 Customline 223 3 speed with O/D, 1963 Fairlane project drag car with BB6, 1977 Maverick 250 with C4, 1994 F-150 a 300 with 5 speed.

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Post #24 by chad » Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:55 pm

"...the fuel pump test to see if it's still pumping any fuel volume..."
If started w/that can'n line U have, run it there AND
just pull the line down from the filter/pump, throw into a lill bucket & watch to see how if pumps
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Post #25 by bones 92 » Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:49 pm

All good new tonight! Fuel pump test went well, seems sound. The good part was after I tested and hooked it back up it didn't die after a few minutes it ran long enough to get up to normal operating temp! I also found the casting marks, I see the N marking the 144 another series of numbers under it - 4 2E7T Pictures of markings: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1jljA7OnZCduAXXOOEEeUeuxyG_oh4akD

I will go through in the next few days and set the timing again, air fuel and just general tune up, and hopefully drive it! For now thanks for all the help! I'm sure I will be stumped again soon enough.
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Post #26 by bubba22349 » Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:30 pm

That's some great news! Getting the fresh fuel through the pump must of finally cleaned out enough of the old varnish gumming up one or both of the oneway check valves caused from setting, and now it will operate again. Good luck and enjoy driving it. :thumbup: :nod:
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Post #27 by chad » Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:48 am

bones 92 wrote:...the car stalls there is vapor or smoke coming out of the top of the carb and if I let the carb spray fuel, more smoke... [/img]Chris

I think ur 1st guess is correct. It's vapor. Just atomized (thats what a carb duz) fuel misting out over the non-a/c housing covered carb.
Get it back dwn in there'n yer all set.
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Post #28 by bones 92 » Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:59 pm

Wellllll i'm back! After one positive night, it was all downhill the next day. I went out the next night after work and it would start and stall in seconds. Did the fuel pump test again and sure enough the fuel pump had been intermittent. SO tonight I replaced the fuel pump and filters(again). And had WAY more fuel pressure! I thought this was going to be the end of it, no so much. Now I think it is flooding the engine, the plugs were soaked so I waited a few hours, cleaned the plugs and it starts but only with the choke wide open and on full throttle. I have to stay on the throttle and it chugs but never makes it to idol and dies if I let off the pedal. (I played with the timing and not much change either way)

Another issue: since I was going to attempt to drive it, I ran it though the gears after replacing the gear oil. It is now stuck in first. The shifter is not stuck I can still run it through the gears but the wheels are spinning when it is in "neutral". Any ideas on this one? Also the car is up on jack stands not sure if that would do anything but I try to give everyone as much information as possible. Its a 3 on the tree stock transmission. Hoping it is just something with the linkage even though it all looks as feels normal.

I'll address one at a time of course but any and all trouble shooting suggestions are appreciated!
1962 Falcon Barn Find: Stock 144, LOM & SVC holley 1909. Freshly "rebuilt" new rings, bearings, and overall cleanup on all engine components. Almost up and running, starts and idles but no vroom vroom. :beer:

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Post #29 by Econoline » Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:26 pm

You've got to rebuild the carb.
It ain't gonna fix itself

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Post #30 by bones 92 » Fri Mar 06, 2020 12:12 am

Carb has already been rebuilt. Is there a good replacement for the Holley 1909? Thats what it's got now, should I go to the autolite 1100. Whats a good reliable option? Or is there something I can do to test it before throwing more money at it?
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Post #31 by bubba22349 » Fri Mar 06, 2020 9:21 am

That's to bad your having more trouble but atleast you are moving forward. In bringing a car back into drivable service after setting so many years it takes lots of time and effort checking every detail. With the new fuel pump you now have much more fuel pressure (to much) since its flooding. There are a couple of ways to deal with this issue first way is you could install a fuel pressure regulator and set it to 3 1/2 PSI quick and easy. The other option is to install a fuel return line back to the tank it's a little more work but also works. Once you get this flooding taken care of it should run much better. In the mean time while your not working or running the car pull all the plugs so that this excessive fuel has the time to dry out of each cylinder and the plugs.

On the transmission sounds like a linkage problem, so check all of the linkage rods wear at their pivot points also inspecting the rubber and other parts at these conections these rods and pivot points need to be in good condistion and adjusted properly, new kits to replace the worn shift Rod parts are available some times the rods need to have round ends rebuilt (welded up to repair them). To test that the trans is working right you could disconnect the shift Rod at the transmission shift arm and see if you can move the shift arm back and forth to change the gear (good that car is still up securely on blocks or jack stands safety first!). Good luck :thumbup: :nod:
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Post #32 by Econoline » Fri Mar 06, 2020 11:30 am

The needle and seat should be able to seal unless the fuel pressure is way out of spec. Do you have a gauge you can tee in and see what the pressure is? Maybe pull the carb top and double check the needle and seat look good and dbl chk you're float setting and that the float doesn't have a pinhole in it, i.e. fuel inside of it.
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Post #33 by bones 92 » Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:49 am

Thanks for the advise, I'll do both early tomorrow morning before work. I picked up a gauge and pressure reg. today. I'll install it and also check the float levels and the needle and seat. I'll report back tomorrow!

Also for the trans, the transmission shift arm can still move back and forth/up and down to change the gear, but it doesn't actually come out of gear. playing with the linkage, and inside the car I can get it into all 4 gears r-3. Still the linkage could be worked on (just so old). But somehow it seems ok?
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Post #34 by bubba22349 » Sat Mar 07, 2020 2:28 pm

X2 Econoline brought up an very good point in his above post and it's something I have dealt with offen when rebuilding these old carburetors. This is checking the condistion of the float for being too heavy. Often the old brass floats can have a hole / crack in them that allows the fuel to leak inside making the float heavy enough it sinks, so that the fuel level can't be shut off by the needle and seat causing carb flooding. The needle seat or a bad / heavy float are the most common causes of carb flooding. This can also happen with the nitro type floats too as they can deteriorate over time and start to absorb fuel and become too heavy and need to be replaced. Just by feeling the weight of a brass float you can often tell or by shaking it back and forth you can also see the fuel start seeping out. These brass float can sometimes be fixed by removing all the wet fuel, then drying them out, and soldering the hole / crack up, other than that they would need to be replaced with a new one.

On your question about getting another carb, for a stock 144 the Holley carb you have if its in good condition (throdle shaft isn't showing excess slop from being worn out) then it's the perfect carb for your engine now. If you later plan to do some performance Mod's then there are some better choices. Good luck :thumbup: :nod:
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Post #35 by chad » Sat Mar 07, 2020 8:52 pm

we don't have much info on this vehicle, it's ur 12th post...
"...don't know how to confirm its got the 144, and the 3 speed manual trans. Its mated with a holley 1909 carb..."

Often the new guys who don't follow up on the suggested research ('Handbook', tech archive - suggested above), R new to the vehicle (remember? 1st job is to ID everything), fly blind. This all ways leads me to the SCV/LOM mis-match, its such a monkey wrench, comes up so often, I'm tempted to suggest it here...but...will not.
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Post #36 by bubba22349 » Sat Mar 07, 2020 9:18 pm

Hi Chad, recheck the above posts #8 and #25 they have all the info needed on "bones 92" 1962 Falcon and its 144 engine togeather with the pictures you can see it's still very original. :nod:
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Post #37 by chad » Sat Mar 07, 2020 9:33 pm

bubba22349 wrote:Hi Chad, recheck the above posts #8 and #25 they have all the info needed on "bones 92" 1962 Falcon and its 144 engine. :nod:


Ahhhh, good on ya bones !
dizzy/carb match...(I guess.
too lazy 4 me ta read :oops: )
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Post #38 by bones 92 » Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:22 pm

Hey all, been a few days of rain here; So very little progress right now. I did have a few hours and got a fuel pressure regulator installed. I still haven't had time to got in the carb and check it out. It does have the nitro type float that I haven't replaced so that may be the next step. I did try to start it anyway, just trying one thing at a time. Seemed like it was flooding less but still not solved. It started with the choke open and wide open throttle ran rough and smelled like gas. Like I said still have to check the carb/float. Should have better weather tomorrow to check it out! Slowly but surely working through it.

Let me know if I am missing information I am hoping I am answering all questions to help get this old girl back on the road. You all are the best resource!
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Post #39 by jamyers » Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:48 pm

I'd go back through the carb with an obsessive-compulsive fine tooth comb, making sure it's *absolutely* clean and all settings are dead on.

Also, check valve lash - if they're out it'll cause all sorts of heck.
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Post #40 by bones 92 » Wed Mar 11, 2020 12:10 am

Alright, small update today. If I am posting to frequently let me know! I took the carb apart, everything seems alright. I replaced the little Pump Piston Cup and Pump Inlet Valve since I had spares. Cleaned the heck out of it and it flooded again, I suspect the float is too heavy and isn't rising. I went ahead and took it back apart and ordered a new float, really hoping thats it. I also checked the oil and it smelled like gas, so after all the flooding I decided to drain and replace it. Also I took jaymers advise and checked valve lash (although the engine was cold) It was fairly close to the .016 that the handbook recommends. I got them all on the money for when the new float comes in; at least until I can recheck warm. While I wait is there anything I can check? Is there a test for the nitrophyl float?

edit: fuel pressure is at a steady 3.5
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Post #41 by chad » Wed Mar 11, 2020 12:27 am

"...the oil and it smelled like gas..."
which may B 'wash dwn" where pertol leaques dwn cyl walls into crancase. 1) ck the fule pump gasket as repture=this issue, not good as thins oil - catostrophic engine failure due to -0- viscosity in oil (mights well B H2o). 2)pump itself...

Congrats on Handbook purchase, ck above 'tech archive' for more deep dive into ur barn find !
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Post #42 by bubba22349 » Wed Mar 11, 2020 9:51 am

The test for the nitro floats is to examine the exterior surface for a soft spot this is sometimes hard to determine. I also use my thumb nail and press on the surface, in some cases you will see wet fuel seep from these soft spots. Best way is to check their weight on a scale right away after disassembly (i.e. After being in wet fuel of the float bowl). Or if the car has to be back running again quickly just replace them during the carb rebuild. Good luck :thumbup: :nod:
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Post #43 by bones 92 » Wed Mar 11, 2020 3:25 pm

Thanks for the replies, I just went ahead and ordered a float, it didn’t come with the rebuild kit I got. Should have that before the weekend to complete the carb :thumbup:. I decided to try and drop the oil pan to clean it out and check the oil pickup. Is there a way to get it out? I have it loose but it hits the crossmember and maybe I am missing something? Maybe there was a write up somewhere on here with how slide it out?
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Post #44 by bubba22349 » Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:52 pm

You can either unbolt engine from its mounts and raise it up enough to get pan out. Or you can un bolt the crossmember (Round tube under engine) so you can drop the pan straight out the bottom. Good luck :thumbup: :nod:
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Post #45 by bones 92 » Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:47 am

After a few hours of removing old bolts and parts. I was able to remove the oil pan. I had to remove the steering linkage, crossmember and front sway bar. I took a few photos of the screen, pan and motor. This thing looks like it has had a rough life with. I think the screen is in ok shape. I know the pump did work before, I have a mechanical gauge hooked up. If there is anything I should do while I have the pan off let me know. I should get the new float in on Friday, and hopefully before the end of the weekend I can have it all back together.
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Post #46 by bubba22349 » Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:44 pm

I have seen much worse but looks like they didn't change oil very often or were using the old type oils with a high ash content. If you have access in your area to an automotive machine shop with either a hot tank or jet washer you could have the oil pump pick up screen, the oil pan and valve cover cleaned really good. If not then you could soak them in anything that cuts the old sludge, solvent, carb cleaner, gas, diesel, or mineral spirits etc. As far as the inside of the engine try to scrape as much of the heavy sludge out as you can on the top of the head and bottom end then you could wash it out with a solvent. After you have it back togeather you could use an engine flush 3 or 4 times just before you change your oil to try and clean it out some more. Good luck :thumbup: :nod:
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Post #47 by jamyers » Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:37 pm

What Bubba said, plus: Unless you can get either an oil pump pickup screen GASKET or something to make one out of, I'd try cleaning that screen in place with a couple cans of carb or brake cleaner. If you've got or can make a gasket, then I'd remove it and have at it.

Get ready for some oily gunk scraping fun! :beer:
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Post #48 by chad » Fri Mar 13, 2020 11:38 pm

Plez wear gloves.
Fella near here just died of brain cancer, I swear it wuz frm hands in the petrocarbons all these yrs, absorbed thru skin, never wore gloves...
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Re: Smoke From Carb!

Post #49 by Econoline » Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:39 pm

I found my pictures of where to look for the T or N. This is the 170 out of my van, you can see that is the distributor to the right and the stamp is on top of the boss for the road draft tube. I took some brakleen and a wire brush to see it. It's a T in a circle. I didn't see it when I just cleaned it with a rag. Hope this helps,

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Re: Smoke From Carb!

Post #50 by bones 92 » Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:42 pm

So the Float is replaced, scraped gunk from as many spots as I could, the screen is looking better and a shiny oil pan now https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... sp=sharing. I put the pan back on fresh oil and some MMO, carb cleaned and reinstalled with new float. I got it started it ran for about ten minutes, got it to idle up to normal temp then it died and wouldn't start again :? Not sure why its fighting me so hard but at least the flooding is solved. I had the fuel pressure adjusted down to 2.5 psi to not flood it. All new spark plugs, gapped correctly. Not really sure where to go from here? Another compression test?

Econoline- I have located the N for the 144ci Thanks for the pictures.

Edit: I just repeated the result, was frustrated after looking at it in the driveway tonight. Went out and it started with my foot depressed on the gas pedal, eventually could ease off and it started to idle. Checked the timing it was at 4degrees, ran for another couple minutes and then died and wouldn't restart. I've got to be close! (oil pressure reads at 45-50) is there something i'm totally missing?

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1962 Falcon Barn Find: Stock 144, LOM & SVC holley 1909. Freshly "rebuilt" new rings, bearings, and overall cleanup on all engine components. Almost up and running, starts and idles but no vroom vroom. :beer:

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