14 items to go :)

[mysavioreigns]

I've got my list down to 14 things - as soon as these are done, the car will *magically* run

I'll list a couple below, in hopes that you guys can answer them.

* There are 4 connections that go on the alternator. 2 have the little "covers" and 1 is a little bitty ring lug that goes on the back. The other I'm not sure where it goes - it's also a black (assuming ground) ring lug.

* Where my old "spacer" was on the intake, it had a heater hose in, and one out. Since there is no "spacer" on the new H/W 5200, I decided to run a hose through the water heated choke. Will that work? And if so, is there an "in" and "out" direction on that thing? I didn't see anything.

* Anyone know if there's a part number I can get for radiator hoses?

* The DSII is STILL a HUGE problem. This is the most imporatant of all the problems. It still won't go all the way into the hole, even though I've ground it down a tad to get it to fit in the hole. I've tried moving it and rotating it to make sure everything is lining up. The rotor is not rotating when I push it in (like it should, because of the curved gears).

I have 2 other Load-O-Matic dizzy's that both will fit in there, and there doesn't seem to be a difference between the shape of them. Just can't figure out why it won't go down in the hole.

 

[66200i6]

There are a couple of things going on here. You need to line up the gears so the rotor is as close to the position you want once it is seated but the end of the Dizzy shaft needs to align with the Oil Pump Drive Shaft also. I use a long socket extension and a 1/4" socket (it think it's 1/4). Be sure to tape the socket to the extension and maybe mark the end of the extension with a black marker so you can guesstamate how much you are turning the extension. After you have the gears aligned to where you want them use the extension to rotate the oil pump drive shaft a few degrees and try to fit the Dizzy again.

Once the gears and the drive shaft line up, it should drop right in.

Good luck, Ric.

 

[63comet]

Did you put a new O-ring on the dizzy? I just replaced the O-ring on mine that came with the rebuild set and I could not get it down in the hole, put the old one back on and it slid right in. Also, there are a couple of different length oil pump shafts, one about 5/8" longer than the other, both are 5/16" hex diameter, the reason for this is the different oil pumps used between the 250 and the 170,200 oil pumps. One is a M-62 and a M-62B, Don't quote me on the numbers, I'm going from memory.

 

[mysavioreigns]

Did you put a new O-ring on the dizzy? I just replaced the O-ring on mine that came with the rebuild set and I could not get it down in the hole, put the old one back on and it slid right in. Also, there are a couple of different length oil pump shafts, one about 5/8" longer than the other, both are 5/16" hex diameter, the reason for this is the different oil pumps used between the 250 and the 170,200 oil pumps. One is a M-62 and a M-62B, Don't quote me on the numbers, I'm going from memory.

Not sure on the O-ring thing - it's not even down far enough yet that the O-ring makes a difference (still outside the block). I think that the shaft should be okay -the old dizzy and the new DSII one measure out to be the exact same.

There are a couple of things going on here. You need to line up the gears so the rotor is as close to the position you want once it is seated but the end of the Dizzy shaft needs to align with the Oil Pump Drive Shaft also. I use a long socket extension and a 1/4" socket (it think it's 1/4). Be sure to tape the socket to the extension and maybe mark the end of the extension with a black marker so you can guesstamate how much you are turning the extension. After you have the gears aligned to where you want them use the extension to rotate the oil pump drive shaft a few degrees and try to fit the Dizzy again.

Once the gears and the drive shaft line up, it should drop right in.

Good luck, Ric.

That could make a difference. You're saying that while the oil pump shaft and the gears may be right they may not be in the exact same configuration as the old one. Thus, turning the rotor won't make a difference, because they're turning as a pair. I'll give that a shot. ooo, it would suck to drop that extension thing down in there. I'll tape it up real good.

 

[addo]

The extension can't fall through IF the oil pump shaft is still in there.

Have you compared the size of your female hex ends in the bottom of each distributor? Double check this one for me.

 

[mysavioreigns]

Okay, making some headway:

Compared the hex sizes between the Load-O and the DSII, and they are the same size, BUT the depths are different. The hex slid into the DSII about 1/8" farther than it did on the Load-O. Not sure why that would make a difference.

I finally got the Load-O all pushed in there, o-ring and all. So I know that one fits. Still not sure why the DSII is stickin out.

 

[The Plankster Prankster]

on the subject of rotating hte oil pump drive to make it line up, my trick is to crank the engine by hand just a little (either by putting it in gear and pushing or by using a big wrench) and it produces the same result of lining em up. i often do so with the dizzy in as far as it will go with it's hold-down clamp on there just firm enough that it'll drop in place when it lines up
only problems i can guess to cause your issue is that the hex shaft is damaged on the end, causing it to not fit into the oil pump, or the gear is damaged or the wrong one, causing it to not mate up to the cam gear properly.
you might try taking out the hex shaft as a test to see if it's the problem keeping it from going in. if that fails, take a closer look at the gear to make sure it's the exact same as the others

 

[mysavioreigns]

How do you take off the hex shaft? Doesn't that involve dropping the oil pan?

 

[wallaka]

Nope. I put a deepwell socket on it, then hold pressure against one side or the other and it pulls right out.

 

[63comet]

Or use one of the long magnets or put some gear grease into the end of the distributor and insert it down on the shaft, but if you can't get the dizzy down into the hole, you are not going onto the shaft.

 

[mysavioreigns]

Here is what I have figured out:

I get the dizzy down into the hole, it is on the shaft. It appears as if it's sliding onto the cam gear but only halfway onto the gear. It's about 1/4" - 1/2" from being all the way in. I'm not sure why it won't go down the extra amount. I can put the Load-O (which appears to be the exact same dimensions) into the hole without a problem, and it goes all the way in without a problem.