96 f150 wanting oxygen

[StrangeRanger]

At least not with all 10 fingers.

Screwing around with an O2 tank on board is begging for trouble. When (not if but WHEN) it explodes, you are very likely to kill or injure other people as well as yourself (not to mention destroying your vehicle and making a large crater in the road.) Like I said originally, do something else.

 

[XFlow_Fairlane]

I am told even synthetic clothes can light up (nylon and such)

side topic is never carry a plastic lighter in your pocket when welding....weld berry can milt into it and light off the butane

 

[Anonymous]

Let's not get our science all wrapped up in Hollywood. Oxygen does not explode. It makes things burn/oxidize faster. The tank will not blow up.
You may melt your pistons before getting the tank shut down, but as soon as the fuel is gone (including oil) the oxygen will cease to burn.
Oh, and in "Jaws", they weren't oxygen tanks, they were scuba (air) tanks. :roll:

 

[StrangeRanger]

But to elemental oxygen nearly everything becomes fuel. The result may not technically qualify as an explosion but from a couple of hundred feet away you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference. Up close, you'd be unlikely to be able to report your findings.

 

[Anonymous]

Sidenote here guys:
The Earth's NATURAL atmosphere (what we feed our engines and add gasoline to in combustion chamber) is only 12% Oxygen by content.
Now, look at what that "measly" 12% does when lit with gas in our engines.
To play with an Oxygen tank is like playing Russian Roulette.
This is a scenario with flowers and crying written all over it.
I don't care what they did in "Jaws", this is real life. This kids going to get hurt, or worse, if he tries this. I am hoping he heeds the advise and works with another solution.
Nitrous is relatively cheap, and properly done, the worst he is out is an engine or some other car part.
I already have spare parts in me from youthful stupidity (not car related), I'm hoping that one more person doesn't go through that, or worse, by trying something this ignorant.

Rant over...

Mike.

 

[Anonymous]

Sidenote here guys:
The Earth's NATURAL atmosphere is only 12% Oxygen by content.

21%

 

[addo]

Couldn't it be a transposition error?

 

[Anonymous]

OK, so maybe I had a brief dyslexia issue.
Besides, I was going from memory, and Chemistry class was 25 years ago (guess I'm old).
Bottom-line is, it is not a lot.

It is still inherently VERY dangerous to add 100% Oxygen from a bottle to an engine.
BAAAAADDDDDDD IDEA, unless you have a death wish!

Mike.

 

[Stubby]

If this link works, it will give you an idea of the dangerous nature of oxygen.

http://www.stupidvideos.us/video.aspx/IDp~1281/Balloon vs Microwave/Extreme videos/

Many years before the nitros revolution, my father in-law tried oxygen on an outboard engine. Small boat, Mercury Hurricane engine. On the first attempt he cracked the valve and noticed an increase in rpms. On the second attempt he cracked the valve and fried the pistons. It was an expensive lesson.

I have tallked to some of the equipment manufacturers (NOS) and they all have said that oxygen is too unstable. They have all tried to pursue this avenue and it is a dead end.

The fact that you are choosing to ask people and follow their advice and not do your own research, scares me. You are risking your life and the lives of those around you. If you choose to try it, I would ask that you do it in as safe a place as possible. (There is realy no safe place to do this) Film it, so the police will know what caused the mess, and help identify the body. You should also take a minute to reflect, think about the times you have seen a burn victim and imagine spending the rest of your life like this, then ask yourself if this is realy worth the risk.

Fire scares the hell out of me.

 

[xctasy]

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Please PRINT IT

SIGN IT

AND SEND IT TO THE EXECUTOR OF YOUR WILL.

If you don't have a will, your going to vist Addo's granmother, and have all your fragmented, exploded, worldly goods blown to kingdom come by Air Mail. She is hopefully hanging out with the Arch Angel Micheal at the moment.

Buddy, Addo is to polite to say

YOUR GONNA FREEKIN DIE, AND TAKE OTHER PEOPLE WIT YOU, IF YOU BOLT THE OXYGEN TANK AND DISCHARGE ANY OF ITS CONTENTS TO YOUR TRUCK.

 

[addo]

My line was actually a take on Benjamin Disraeli, English politician of the late 19th century. On his deathbed, asked if he would like a visit from Queen Victoria, he said "It is better that you did not invite her. She will only ask me to take a message to Bertie". Bertie was the late Prince Albert, Victoria's deceased husband...

All that said and done - I still reckon that a good N2O setup (with nitrous and fuel nozzles) will go nicely, and be a lot safer by comparison. The oxygen tank setup alone, probably breaches some anti-terrorism laws if you get snagged with it on your vehicle. No point setting yourself up for a lifetime of misguided suspicion and surveillance.

Cheers, Adam.

 

[Anonymous]

Rockets use oxygen and not nitrous oxide and they only blow up sometimes. The Apollo space program made quite a few trips to the moon with no engine explosions using oxygen......

 

[StrangeRanger]

I'll hate myself if I don't say this:

Making a truck go faster isn't rocket science.

BTW the use of LOX in rocketry actually proves the point about safety. The fuels used in liguid fueled rockets are hypergolic (i.e. self-igniting on contact with LOX) no ignition source is required to light the fuse. The rate of burn and thus the thrust produced is regulated by altering the flow of the components. This requires the use of some very sophisticated measurement and metering devices.

You're probably not old enough to remember the pre-Mercury era in rocketry. They blew up a whole lot of Vanguard and Redstone and Jupiter missles on the launch pad before they finally got it right.

Eventually, a vehicle mounted oxygen system might become developed enough to work reliably but the learning curve could be VERY expensive. There is absolutely no way that such a system could ever be rendered crash-worthy

 

[Anonymous]

I'm just playing straight-man and setting up the commentary (ie rocket science)....
Actually I'm much older than you think. I was around BEFORE Mercury AND Laika....
I really don't think this method will work, but I DO want to see the video of the meltdown. But what I really don't get is the fear of oxygen. We have people wanting to fuel vehicles with hydrogen. Now that is something we DON'T want the idiot general public to get their hands on. We have propane powered vehicles running around all day that are waaaaay more of a hazard than a leaky oxygen bottle.
Remember the video of some knucklehead pouring LOX on a bbq grill? BIG fire, no one died.

 

[addo]

I only know of one vehicle fire involving propane. Even so, it wasn't the propulsive fuel, but a leaky cylinder in the back of a trades vehicle.

It blew up when Glen Priddle (smoking) opened his plumbing van door one morning. Everyone in the street went to his funeral; most having had pieces of him or the van scraped off their roofs. While the funeral progressed, burglars ransacked much of the street... :x

Plenty of cars here get burnt up with propane tanks fitted - the tank vents harmlessly and flares outside in the atmosphere. Installations have to be certified, inspected annually and are pretty darned safe.

 

[Anonymous]

I agree, Addo, propane is a safe fuel. Probably safer than gasoline.

 

[XFlow_Fairlane]

was talking to a local propane guy. they ahd a dual fuel truck that had a propane line break on it and a bad valve on the tank. good fire going under the truck. they had water nearby so just kept the petrol tank cooled off (fire was next to it) after a few minutes they crawled under (while it was still burning from the venting tank) and crimped off the hardline. aside from a chared cab everything was ok.


but burning fuel is not as big of a deal as supplying oxygen. oxygen will turn anything into a fuel esp once there is some heat involved.

 

[Anonymous]

oxygen will turn anything into a fuel

...and as fast as it possibly can