Was just crusin ebay Aus and was checking out the BA falcon engines and the like. how feasible would it be to ship one of those over to the us? i keep turning the idea over in my head about getting one of those to have a great reliable motor for a daily driver that is still able to kick it in the pants, they seem really cheap now as well. i know they would have to be gone over. can any us trans hook up to those or would we have to get a Aus tranny? how much would shipping amount to? please let me know!
BA falcon engine
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shipping would be murder, feasable if a bunch of us shared a container to ship a ton or two of gear. Ten people dropping a grand each might make it work, though the logistics of all that acquisition and storage over there, plus distribution over here makes it effectively prohibitive.
AFAIK, you need oz specific bells for the engine.
AFAIK, you need oz specific bells for the engine.
I think your right on the bell housings, not too sure about the starter FW or TC... if possible maybe using the AUS bell with a US trans? how different could the t-5 be?
I too have toyed with the idea of a BA engine, they are rocking hot and great to look at. I bet more fun to drive.
I too have toyed with the idea of a BA engine, they are rocking hot and great to look at. I bet more fun to drive.
Having looked into doing something similar from the US or Canada I can understand the dilema.
I would look at buying the whole package of engine and gearbox be it manual or auto as that way you would know you had all you need including computer to match the gearbox etc.
I also recall asking Ford Aust here about a US type Auto Gearbox and Ford Aust here knew nothing about the US gearbox or what it may or may not fit so another reason to buy the complete package of engine and gearbox.
Only big problem you have at present would be the Aussie dollar is worth more than your US Dollar. Today One US Dollar equals about 0.92 cents Aust. So your Dollar will not go far.
You can look here to convert currency > http://www.xe.com/ucc/
As for freight you could hunt round for a company that can carry your items in with other goods. I have in the past used freight companies here that fill a container with many different goods and my items are just part of the consignment in the conatainer.
I would look at buying the whole package of engine and gearbox be it manual or auto as that way you would know you had all you need including computer to match the gearbox etc.
I also recall asking Ford Aust here about a US type Auto Gearbox and Ford Aust here knew nothing about the US gearbox or what it may or may not fit so another reason to buy the complete package of engine and gearbox.
Only big problem you have at present would be the Aussie dollar is worth more than your US Dollar. Today One US Dollar equals about 0.92 cents Aust. So your Dollar will not go far.
You can look here to convert currency > http://www.xe.com/ucc/
As for freight you could hunt round for a company that can carry your items in with other goods. I have in the past used freight companies here that fill a container with many different goods and my items are just part of the consignment in the conatainer.
ya i recall a user named JD on here that was looking at doing just that with the tickford motors complete with tranny and computer. i would love to get a BA motor and auto tranny that would be very uninqe around here and looks like it would be killer for daily driving and reliability. the main problem as i see it is finding someone or company that will put in the time and effort to get a package together and ship it.
Please, the only thing stopping export of Barra or BA twin cam engines to the US is ignorance. I hope I don't sound too arrogant.
Ever unloaded 356 120 pound each coffee bean bags from Vietnam, or three 3500 pound cars for export into 40 footers for the US. Dead easy once you've doen it before...Or loaded up a Daimler V8 and Mini LE 1000 for export to the US. It's lots of fun, and easy. How many containers you want?. Each Hi top 40 footer container can safely take 70 engines if packed to an inch of its life, or 21 tons of parts with respect to makignthe unloading easier in the US. And engines are no problem no get, with Falcons, Teritories found everywhere. For turbo's, there is a premium for breaking up an existing XR6 Turbo, F6, or Territory Turbo, and in NZ its best to rebuild if you want a quick turn around. It's probably easier in Australia to get 70 turbo engines to fill a container.
I use IFL (International Freight Logostics NZ Ltd) from Dunedin, http://www.ifl.co.nz/ and normally they drop off to LA, California. They have smart logistics pople, lawyers, and I know the people from 3 years of work loading and unloading there goods. And up untill a few months ago, I cleaned there bathrooms while I worked as a janitor for Crest Clean :mrgreen:
Carting a 500 pound engine and 165 pound gearbox to the USA is so easy, Kiwis and Aussies export containers of heavy stuff all the time. Its a no brainer. Especially when the EFI and ignition is basically a recalibrated US unit. Transmission wise, stuff in Aussie Falcons and Fairmonts and XR6's from 2003 to 2005 is Mexican import Tremec, locally made Borg Warner Gears BTR/Ion 4-stage auto found in Volvos, Musso's, Maseratis and every Falcon from 1991 to 2010. The 2009 Falcon's US style French Bordeux 5r55 gearbox fits to the earlier BA engine if you want something more American market. It has US market Explorer/Ranger Mustang internals, but it does unfortunately have a special one piece alloy case specific to the Falcon engine, so if you blow it up, you can't just bolt a US Ex/Rangie/Stang box in to replace it.
What is important is finding a set up that can have its EEC5 and transmission controller fixed if it goes into an X-body or Fox body. And a sump and engine mounts to suit which isn't hard...XH ute parts and Territory Ford parts would sort most matters.
The 'US gearbox" is actually the French Bordeaux over drive unit found in 210 hp N-code 4 litre Cologne v6 engined S 197 Mustang and the earlier 205, 207 and 210 hp Explorer, the latest 207 hp US market Ranger. Ford counterwallies can be an ignorant, brainless bunch of twits at times, but the so called US is found on every base model 2009 to 2010 Ford Falcon XT with its 195 killer watt engine. Just like the 1969 C9 bellhousing trans using the imported US C4 trans...it was an option on XW, XA,XB, XC and the iron head XD from 1969 to late 1980.
It like back in 2005, some American here (who will remain nameless) was trying to tell me the 4 liter Ford Explorer/Ranger/Mustang didn't have a German made engine and a French/ Belgian made gearbox. After Ford USA had only been importing French gearboxes since 1974, and German engines since 1975 for millions of Pintos, Mustang II's, Fox bodies, Rangers and 'sploders and S197's and in quantities then envy of the Japanese. And it was an Australian, none other than Wheels Magazines Technical Editor Mike McCarthy, who reminded us in 1996. It was also noted in Brtish magazines Car and Fastlane in 1985 when the 2.9 Cologne V6 came out, plus the 1983 article on the Aussie Falcon being tipped to get the German Cologne or US Essex V6.
Ford Australian counter guys have access to the smartest engineering parts back up in the world, but I give up when the people accessing the spagetti junctions are just plain ignorant...( end rant from whenever rant began :tabu: )
Now, thats just a 245 hp 2003 BA Falcon Barra. By the time the French trnas got bolted up, it was 262 hp.
If stock 15.3 second quarter in 3800 pound Falcons is too boring when you consider stock GT40 Explorer , 4.6 Mustang and 5.4 three valvers do 240 to 295 hp, then read about potentail imported warmed 240 T, 270 T Barras with 322 and 362 hp GT 40 turboed versions at
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=67048
Ever unloaded 356 120 pound each coffee bean bags from Vietnam, or three 3500 pound cars for export into 40 footers for the US. Dead easy once you've doen it before...Or loaded up a Daimler V8 and Mini LE 1000 for export to the US. It's lots of fun, and easy. How many containers you want?. Each Hi top 40 footer container can safely take 70 engines if packed to an inch of its life, or 21 tons of parts with respect to makignthe unloading easier in the US. And engines are no problem no get, with Falcons, Teritories found everywhere. For turbo's, there is a premium for breaking up an existing XR6 Turbo, F6, or Territory Turbo, and in NZ its best to rebuild if you want a quick turn around. It's probably easier in Australia to get 70 turbo engines to fill a container.
I use IFL (International Freight Logostics NZ Ltd) from Dunedin, http://www.ifl.co.nz/ and normally they drop off to LA, California. They have smart logistics pople, lawyers, and I know the people from 3 years of work loading and unloading there goods. And up untill a few months ago, I cleaned there bathrooms while I worked as a janitor for Crest Clean :mrgreen:
Carting a 500 pound engine and 165 pound gearbox to the USA is so easy, Kiwis and Aussies export containers of heavy stuff all the time. Its a no brainer. Especially when the EFI and ignition is basically a recalibrated US unit. Transmission wise, stuff in Aussie Falcons and Fairmonts and XR6's from 2003 to 2005 is Mexican import Tremec, locally made Borg Warner Gears BTR/Ion 4-stage auto found in Volvos, Musso's, Maseratis and every Falcon from 1991 to 2010. The 2009 Falcon's US style French Bordeux 5r55 gearbox fits to the earlier BA engine if you want something more American market. It has US market Explorer/Ranger Mustang internals, but it does unfortunately have a special one piece alloy case specific to the Falcon engine, so if you blow it up, you can't just bolt a US Ex/Rangie/Stang box in to replace it.
What is important is finding a set up that can have its EEC5 and transmission controller fixed if it goes into an X-body or Fox body. And a sump and engine mounts to suit which isn't hard...XH ute parts and Territory Ford parts would sort most matters.
The 'US gearbox" is actually the French Bordeaux over drive unit found in 210 hp N-code 4 litre Cologne v6 engined S 197 Mustang and the earlier 205, 207 and 210 hp Explorer, the latest 207 hp US market Ranger. Ford counterwallies can be an ignorant, brainless bunch of twits at times, but the so called US is found on every base model 2009 to 2010 Ford Falcon XT with its 195 killer watt engine. Just like the 1969 C9 bellhousing trans using the imported US C4 trans...it was an option on XW, XA,XB, XC and the iron head XD from 1969 to late 1980.
It like back in 2005, some American here (who will remain nameless) was trying to tell me the 4 liter Ford Explorer/Ranger/Mustang didn't have a German made engine and a French/ Belgian made gearbox. After Ford USA had only been importing French gearboxes since 1974, and German engines since 1975 for millions of Pintos, Mustang II's, Fox bodies, Rangers and 'sploders and S197's and in quantities then envy of the Japanese. And it was an Australian, none other than Wheels Magazines Technical Editor Mike McCarthy, who reminded us in 1996. It was also noted in Brtish magazines Car and Fastlane in 1985 when the 2.9 Cologne V6 came out, plus the 1983 article on the Aussie Falcon being tipped to get the German Cologne or US Essex V6.
Ford Australian counter guys have access to the smartest engineering parts back up in the world, but I give up when the people accessing the spagetti junctions are just plain ignorant...( end rant from whenever rant began :tabu: )
Now, thats just a 245 hp 2003 BA Falcon Barra. By the time the French trnas got bolted up, it was 262 hp.
If stock 15.3 second quarter in 3800 pound Falcons is too boring when you consider stock GT40 Explorer , 4.6 Mustang and 5.4 three valvers do 240 to 295 hp, then read about potentail imported warmed 240 T, 270 T Barras with 322 and 362 hp GT 40 turboed versions at
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=67048
xctasy":3a35ty44 said:
5r55w is the one with the one piece bellhousing at least here in the us.
http://www.charlietranny.com/5R55W%20sideview.JPG
dont know if its the same pattern as aus one. but as long as you dont blow a hole in the case it can be rebuilt with us parts. so thats not a bad deal im starting to warm up to the idea considably seeing as i would spend about the same for the aluminum had and other related goodies and then this make almost double the power at stock trim. even non turbo would be very nice.
http://www.charlietranny.com/5R55W%20sideview.JPG
dont know if its the same pattern as aus one. but as long as you dont blow a hole in the case it can be rebuilt with us parts. so thats not a bad deal im starting to warm up to the idea considably seeing as i would spend about the same for the aluminum had and other related goodies and then this make almost double the power at stock trim. even non turbo would be very nice.
Mine is just with the attached engine harness. No computer or chassis wiring.
As for a bell housing you can use a standard t-5 unit with one of the n/a manual ba cars. Just need a slight bit of work to the bearing retainer and optional but recommended hydraulic tb upgrade. Going t-56 is even easy since tremec makes a t-56/t6060 bell for the motor.
Not sure on the auto bell housings.
Shipping these into the states can be a problem.
As for a bell housing you can use a standard t-5 unit with one of the n/a manual ba cars. Just need a slight bit of work to the bearing retainer and optional but recommended hydraulic tb upgrade. Going t-56 is even easy since tremec makes a t-56/t6060 bell for the motor.
Not sure on the auto bell housings.
Shipping these into the states can be a problem.
i dont think shipping is the problem its going to be finding a person that will do it. i would love to get a barra turbo motor with the 5r55 auto tranny (my car is a auto) and get a gasket, bearings, timing chain, cams and ring set maybe pistons if its a higher milage motor. it would be a killer daily driver motor. and would be very unique around here
Xargon321":2k7tkp98 said:
Barrafox":2k7tkp98 said:
All you have to do is find one for sale and buy it then get your freight in order. Any good reputable wrecking yard should do the right thing making sure you get all you need and if not a local Aussie (here on the forum) would soon make sure they did do the right thing for you.
Ten years ago JD crated and shipped all the crossflow engines for me. It was a lot of work on his part to get it done. Addo and Aussie7mains also have sent me parts. I was fortunate that the Oz doller was only worth about $.55 back then.
I can't recall the cost of shipping the crate, but it was not that expensive. You need it to clear customs, but the freight forwarder on this end will help handle that. And one other misconception is that it has to clear customs at the first port it passes thru; not so. Goods clear customs at the port of ENTRY. That could be Omaha, for that matter, not where the ship docks. Consign the goods directly to your city, have it clear at the Port of Entry, and pick it up at the freight forwarder. Just need to run around to get the customs cleared, but again, that's at the POE.
Someone mentioned emissions. Not an issue here in Fl, but you CA guys are SOL. Other states too, so check carefully before you buy and ship.
I can't recall the cost of shipping the crate, but it was not that expensive. You need it to clear customs, but the freight forwarder on this end will help handle that. And one other misconception is that it has to clear customs at the first port it passes thru; not so. Goods clear customs at the port of ENTRY. That could be Omaha, for that matter, not where the ship docks. Consign the goods directly to your city, have it clear at the Port of Entry, and pick it up at the freight forwarder. Just need to run around to get the customs cleared, but again, that's at the POE.
Someone mentioned emissions. Not an issue here in Fl, but you CA guys are SOL. Other states too, so check carefully before you buy and ship.
A copy of what the rules the engine complies with (pollution wise) would be something you would require whoever sends you the engine. These are what we call ADR's (Australian Design Rules) these would show what pollution requirments the engine is made to comply with. The ADR's can be found online.
Xargon321":cvhrjryl said:well for me here in Washington state my 65 dont have emissions because its older then 25 years from nowso it dont matter what i put in it!
That would be the same here. Unless you put it in something like a Hot Rod with a new reproduction chassis then you have to comply with ADR's.
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