Beyond 14 degrees....

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Has anyone gone beyond 14 degrees of intial advance?

As it stands my car is running smoothly with 14 degrees of initial advance and I it will handle more (or at aleast that's what it seems like). But...I would have to fabricate a special clip for my timing marks (just have an 'el cheap o timing light). Has anyone done this as well?


-Chris
 
I think I had about 24 degrees years ago when I timed it by ear. Then I found out my Loadamatic distributor was not working, so the only advance I had was initial, no vacuum, and that distributor had no centrifugal.

Whether or not you can run more initial depends on the relative contribution of your vacuum advance and the centrifugal advance if your distributor is equipped with centrifugal advance. If you can handle much more than the 14 degree initial without pinging, go for it. However, you might also consider that some other component may not be contributing as it should.
Doug
 
I can play "7 degrees of Kevin Bacon" real well...does that help?
 
You opened up a big can of worms here, and are likely to get a lot of opinions.

I personally run between 10-12* initial advance. Some people are running more, but most of them have the vacuum advance disconnected, so they are advancing the timing more to make up for that.

Biggest test...if you hear pinging under load, or anytime actually, you've advanced too far.

Slade
 
You opened up a big can of worms here, and are likely to get a lot of opinions.

Sorry, but it's just one of those things on my mind. :roll:


-Chris
 
Howdy Chris and all:

Of course you can run with more initial advance. The question really should be what will I gain/lose by running more/less initial advance. I'm assuming your '66 is using the OEM Load-a-Matic distributor, which only has a vacuum advance mechanism built into it. 1st question- is your distributor vacuum advance working as designed? You will need to apply vacuum to the hose coming out of the vacuum cannister. Watch to see if the advance mechanism arm moves. If it does good. If not consider how to fix it. If the answer to 1st question is yes, 2nd questions- How do your plugs look? If they are nice and light tan in color, good, try more degrees of advance. Take a drive of about 10 miles at various speeds and loads listening carefully for knock. If you hear knock, go home and reduce advance 2 degrees and try this again. If you don't hear knock check the plugs anyway. Look for peppering and/or glazing. If you see concerns try a plug with a colder heat range, and/or possibly a different brand of gas. If no concerns there consider whether the change improved anything. Better gas mileage? Better acceleration? Be as objective as you can be. If you cannot discern a change for the better, go back to 14 degrees and be happy.

It is hard to be objective when you want something to happen. I recommend a timed acceleration test to add to the assessment. A timed 20 mph to 50mph in 2nd gear test with before the change and after the change will tell if power is improved. Honest mileage testing is another useful bit of data.

Simply advancing the initial timing may do nothing more than generate more heat. There is a point of diminishing returns. No point in exceeding that point- if you get my point.

A later distributor with centrifugal advance would be a nice addition to your engines overall performance. Electronic ignition would be even better.

Enjoy the trip.

Adios, David
 
Thanks for the thoughts David.

I have converted my original points Load-O-Matic distributor to the Duraspark II setup and it has been a MAJOR improvement! But like you mentioned, the engine does seem to run a little warmer at anything more than 12 degrees; however, I haven't noticed anything unusual from the engine - meaning no unusual sounds. As a matter of fact, at 14 degrees the engine seems the peepiest (if that is such a word) but with 16 degrees it's even better. Anything beyond that, the engine begans to run rough and make some pretty troubling sounds at cruising speeds.

So, I guess 14 degrees of initial advance is okay for my engine. I'll just keep an eye out for the next couple of weeks, if anything weird starts to happen I'll try lower it to 12 degrees.


-Chris
 
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