Clifford 2V adapter

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On the site: http://home.centurytel.net/fordfan/Falc ... ion02.html the author talks about having to open up the bottom hole to even get it to be 1.5 inches wide.
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The author also says the Clifford doesnt support his opinion.

How many of you agree with the author?
How many of you agree with Clifford?
 
Well, since I'm the author you already know where I stand. :wink:

Don't know anyone here, looking for a performance increase, that has choked down their intake manifold opening. :?
 
I'm not sure of all the measurements anymore since I've been concentrating on preparing my Aussie head,


But, the adaptor bottom hole should match the same size as the intake manifold's hole. I think that is what you were saying 62, isn't it?

If so, I agree with Phil.

BTW, Phil, is that a coolant passage on your choke?

Slade
 
CobraSix":2jbw9p8q said:
But, the adaptor bottom hole should match the same size as the intake manifold's hole.
That's my point exactly. The Clifford 1650S adapter has an off-center outlet of 1.3", less than the 1.5" manifold opening, and stock carb, used on the early heads.

CobraSix":2jbw9p8q said:
BTW, Phil, is that a coolant passage on your choke?
The Holley 5200 I used for illustration purposes on the conversion page has a water heated choke with electric assist. I'm sure these can be converted to full electric like the Weber shown on the same page.
 
I think it would be more effective than the hot air version, but I haven't used one yet so I can't really say. Seems like a lot of these carbs were made that way. Only down side I can see is corrosion, and you can see some on the rebuilt HW 5200 pictured on my webpage.
 
Dan bored out my intake hole, so I traced the new intake hole on the gasket for the adapter then bored the adapter out to the size of the intake. I was thinking the same thing, why even increase the intake hole if Im going to choke it again with the adapter.
Matt
 
This was the reason I called Clifford and questioned them. At first, I thought they sent the wrong adapter, I expected it to match the manifold opening, not be smaller.

I don't remember who I talked to, but remember his response, "Well, you can hog it out if you want to, it won't make any difference." Yeah, right. :roll:

Rhetorical question - what's the one major limitation to our log headed six? The intake. Those seeking to improve performance over stock have all followed the same path - open the dang thing up. Whether it's to direct mount a Motorcraft 2100, a Holley 2300, 3x1s, the HW 5200, Weber 32/36, 38DGS, or mount a funnel adapter, you need to increase the breathing ability of the intake. That's hard to do if you don't open it up.
 
how is the air flow increased by adding a 2V, when all you're doing is sucking it all back down the same ol smaller 1v hole? Obviously if you bore it out, you'll get more flow, but do you still get more if you leave the hole at the stock 1.5?
 
Simple - you reach the max flow capacity of the either the manifold opening or the adapter and then no gain. I don't know what the flow capacity of the 1.5" manifold opening is, but I believe it's greater than what the stock carb flows.

For example, let's say the 1.5" opening will flow 250cfm, and you top it with the stock carb that flows 156cfm. What is your limitation? The carb. Now, add a 2V adapter port matched to the manifold opening and top it with a carb that flows 270cfm. What is your limitation? The manifold opening/adapter. Was there an increase in flow? Yes, in this hypothetical example, flow increased by 60%, or 94cfm.

There are several people on this forum who can attest to the performance improvement of the 2V on a funnel adapter over the stock 1V, and Doug will attest to how well a much larger 1V (>300cfm IIRC) works on the early manifold. Port matching the adapter to the manifold opening will ensure you get the maximum flow possible with the 2V/adapter combo. Granted, it's not the best option from a performance standpoint, but it's far better than the stock set up.

My argument with Clifford was, and still is, if I'm already limited to a manifold opening of 1.5", why sell a 2V adpater with a 1.3" opening? To me, the adapter should match the manifold opening so the user can get the max benefit possible, not reduce the flow potential. Their adapter for the later 1.75" manifold is port matched, so there's an obvious disparity in their logic with regard to the early adapter. :?
 
Phil,

I've got the later 1.75" adapter from Clifford with a Motorcraft mounted on top. I was wondering what type of drill bit can be purchased in order to open up the intake alittle more. I think I get another 1/4" (or more) out of the log and adapter without running into problems.

Any suggestions?

I don't want to take the head and adapter in to a machine shop if I don't have to do it.
 
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