Draft Tube -> PCV Conversion

sasktrini

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I posted a similar topic in the Big Six category, as I'm currently working on one of those. However, I also have a Small Six (1963 170) that I think should be considered for this upgrade.

Does anyone have any details how they went about converting their draft tube Small Six to PCV? Does the stock intake manifold have a PCV port, or would I have to drill a hole and install one? Or maybe I would have to get a carb spacer made with a port? My engine has an old 1bbl carb that I believe does not have a port for the PCV.

I believe that the draft tube is attached to the block rather than at the valve cover... so do you plug that hole and relocate the PCV to the valve cover? What are the specifics (grommet dimensions, recommended PCV valve part number or application(?) )

Thanks for any help you can provide. Pics would be awesome too!
 
Plug road draft hole with appropiate size Welch plug.
Acquire oil filler cap with pcv connection, plumb to air filter bottom plate inside filter element. Install a pvc check valve in line besure installed in right direction.
All the bits and pieces can be found at j'yard.

For example of oil filler cap with pcv hose connection see:
http://www.napaonline.com/Search/Detail ... 0006342998
 
Exactly. All you need is a newer valve cover from any small block six with all the bits attached (oil filler cap and pvc valve) and plumb it into the carb spacer or intake manifold port underneath slightly forward of the carb. My pvc valve is covered by RatFink and the hose is coming out where his tail should be:
 
I was just shopping for the stuff for my 240, and the guy recommended a filler cap with a PCV valve in the top, and plugging the draft tube. How does the engine breathe then? I ask because I'm certain the draft tube comes off the block on my 170... how does fresh air enter the crankcase? Or does only blow-by fumes enter the crankcase and the filler cap PCV then evacuates the fumes to the intake?

I think I saw that the draft tube location can be blocked with a freeze plug... make sense?

the Napa parts link... can you toss me a zip code to use?
 
Not sure on the size, but I think a 1" freeze plug??? Fresh air doesn't enter the engine; the draft tube scavenges the blow-by from the engine. PVC ventilates the blow-by but the motor draws it back into the motor to burn it out the exhaust. The oil filler caps with a hose attached gets sucked into the air cleaner or some vents into the engine compartment. The picture of mine vents into the engine compartment. 94110
 
sasktrini":2bbuy68s said:
...... how does fresh air enter the crankcase? Or does only blow-by fumes enter the crankcase and the filler cap PCV then evacuates the fumes to the intake?......

There are at least four major styles of PCV, the most effective types draw fresh air in through the top of the engine (usually the filler cap), down through the crankcase, and back up to the other end/side of the top and on into the intake manifold; on an inline six this means you MUST have a valve cover with the proper internal baffle, I suspect that an engine previously equipped with draft tube ventilation would lack this important feature.

This extra volume of clean air is necessary to achieve a good flush of the blowby gases; just applying vacuum without a current of air flowing does a very poor job of evacuating those nasty fumes.
Joe
 
Hey JW debate time---
An engine while operating will generate a given amount of blow-by --- and through a PCV system consume a given amount of fumes. No fresh air 100% fumes consume. Dilute with fresh air would a 100% of the fumes be consumed? Probably. But is the fresh air needed or even wanted?

With no fresh vent the PVC would pull a slight partial vacuum in the crankcase. In race engines venturii extractors are installed in the header collectors. Through this type PCV a strong vacuum is created. Less windage, less oil in suspension, ring seal better, less aerodynamic resistance to moving parts.

Realizing that the vacuum in the crankcase of a street engine would be slight in conparision to that in a race engine still ther should be some of the advantages.
 
Thad":1kyhvwm6 said:
..... Dilute with fresh air would a 100% of the fumes be consumed? Probably. But is the fresh air needed or even wanted?....
I think so, and the vast majority of car makers do it this way nowadays AFAIK.

I too have wondered about pulling more vacuum in the crankcase of a street engine, the race boys actually install special vacuum pumps. I "think" the benefits of high airflow through the engine to purge the gases outweigh the small benefit a street engine would see from vacuum.
Just guessing though.
Joe
 


I don't recall there being a baffle. Looking closely at this pic of my 170, the draft tube and breather cap are both located toward the leading edge of the engine... so I suppose a thorough PCV conversion would require inserting a baffle and accommodating the PCV valve at the rear of the valve cover. Excellent points!

I'm curious... anyone chime in here... how many people have contemplated this conversion, whether for the same or differtent reasons as I have. Thanks,
 
The filler cap in the NAPA link acts as a baffle. Most have a brass or stainless steel sponge inside to catch fine oil droplets until big enough they drain back.

All drag engines (gasoline) using crankcase evacuators were sealed. No fresh air admitted. Some racers tried smop pumps with suction plumbed to the vc.
 
Hi all, new here! I'll post my rig in a bit but saw this and had to add to the conversation:

I converted my '62 170 to PCV by keeping the stock cap (make sure the fibers are good in the cap). I then made a bushing that fit the hole the road-draft tube went into - it is 1 inch. I machined the inside diameter of the bushing so that a stock 200/250 PCV valve fits snugly and fit a brass "T" fitting to the intake manifold where the modulator line for the trans goes. I have some photos I'll post asap. but this does function very well and it only took minor carb adjustments to compensate for the PCV.
 
My '61 Falcon w/ 170 was a CA built and sold vehicle. As such it had the original PCV system as required for CA while the rest of the country still had road draft tubes.

A picture of the fitting that is pressed into the road draft port. http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll27 ... market.jpg

Base of the carb there is a brass (manifold) fitting screwed into the carb adapter plate. Screwed into this fitting is the PCV valve.The fitting also has a port for the vacuum line to the vac pump that is part of the fuel pump (to boost the wiper operation). All of these parts are the as manufactured and delivered by Ford for the CA market parts that were installed on my car.
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll27 ... 240015.jpg

Looking into the end view of the PCV valve. Note the valve is a machined part. To clean it one can remove the valve and unscrew the two halves of the vlave body
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll27 ... 240009.jpg

Assembled view of PCV tube (about 1/2 or 5/8 inch diameter). Tube has a shrot length of hose on each end.
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll27 ... 180012.jpg

Finally a current photo w/ my Weber 32/36 DGV. I made a custom adapter with a second PVC port to the rear (I currently have a '78 200 so I have to use the valve cover PVC port and the original port in the brass manifold is blocked off. Someday I intend to go back to the '66 200 so that I can once again use the stock valve cover and stock PCV port in the block.
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll27 ... 6DGVFV.jpg
 
You guys in MI are awesome!!! Thanks!!! Okay, you all are, but aribert and r62hope's answers sunk in nice and easy!

I love the pic of the draft tube fitting at the block! Now to find one...

I am feeling much better prepared for when I'm ready to drop my 170 back into my Econoline!

Aribert, your engine and bay are beautifully detailed! A fine example and pleasant illustration to answer my questions!
 
R62Hope,

what do you mean by "minor carb adjustments"? I'm looking for clues on my 240... it's racing now even though I've closed the mixture screw and the idle speed screw isn't even touching the throttle lever.


LATER: Never mind. I had finished my conversion about 1am, and had the throttle cable set wrong and it was binding. My 240 is behaving wonderfully!
 
What I did on my 144, is retain the oil filler breather cap. I bought an aftermarket PCV valve for an EF falcon ( Aussie ) and PCV grommet. I removed the draft tube from the side of the block, pushed in the PCV grommet and PCV valve in, perfect fit!. My XL falcon has been converted to electric wipers so i had a spare vacuum port available on the intake manifold. Works like a charm
 
This will be a long one, sorry...

My 170 is still on its original build with 150k miles and is not far from needing a rebuild or replacement. I strongly suspect that the 4th rings are leaking as supported by oil fouling the plug and reduced compression on that cylinder. Given that...

I converted my '63 170 in a totally home built fashion but based on the OEM CA idea. I plugged my draft tube port with a home built vulcanized rubber plug (this was before I discovered this forum and I didn't know how well this would work, so this plug was meant to be temporary, I've had no problems, so it's still there 2yrs later.) Replaced the stock valve cover with an aftermarket unit with both front and rear openings. Used a twist-in, non-vented oil cap in the front port. Found a matching sized grommet to fit a stock '69 Mustang 351w PCV valve (had it laying around) and the rear cover port. I did try, with each of the following plans, using a vented oil cap. In every instance it promoted dipstick blow-by by reducing the intake's draw on the crankcase.

At first I plumbed the PCV valve to the air cleaner just outside of the filter. I found that the system wasn't flowing enough as the crankcase was venting through the dipstick tube, evidenced by oil percolating around the stick handle and soaking the side of the block. I removed the PCV valve and reconnected the line to the cover with an open port 3/8" hose to 1/2" NPT plastic plumbing fitting. The system flowed fine with no blow-by through the dipstick tube. However, at sustained low engine speeds (long stop lights or traffic back-ups), oil residue would build up in the air cleaner at the carb opening and then would "wash-over" when I opened the throttle heavily resulting in embarrassing blue plumes. Sustained cruising rpm's seemed to keep the oiling at an unnoticeable amount, a quick stop wouldn't plume as bad.

Later, I replumbed to the intake tract below the carb. My engine has two 1/4"npt ports : one in the carb spacer (2sp AT was plumbed to here, MT conversion left the port available) and the second is actually in the intake log directly across from the head and just barely aft of the 3rd intake port.

I tried the carb spacer port first with great success using the plumbing fitting. The blue plumes went away, spark plug fouling reduced drastically (formerly #4 would foul out in about 2 weeks, now about 3 months), idle speed almost doubled (reduced crankcase pressure I'm sure), throttle response was better, and mpg's increased by about 2-3.

After about 6 months, I revisited the PCV valve installation. Performance overall reduced and the dipstick tube began venting again. So, I tried plumbing directly to the intake log. The intake could draw strong enough with the PCV valve without the dipstick venting. However, the engine idled rough despite all efforts and the 3rd plug would oil soak and foul after extended idle speeds. I rationalized that since the port was almost directly across from the 3rd intake port it was drawing heaviest on the PCV and least on the carb, as opposed to when plumbed to the spacer the PCV charge had a chance to mix with the intake charge before being sucked into the log where it could be more evenly dispersed among all cylinders, or at least as best as the log will allow.

So, I reverted to the open PCV line plumbed to the carb spacer. This has yielded me the best performance and least adverse affects. I haven't tried the proper stock PCV valve with the 1/4"npt threads yet. Though I did try laying my spare valve on its side (as I suspect the proper stock valve should install) with direction of flow in mind. I found that it restricted flow enough to again cause the dipstick to vent.

When I rebuild the engine, I will revisit using the stock PCV valve in its intended position. Until then, this appears to be my best option considering the state of the engine.
 
That's great! You have a good memory recalling all the different experimants you did... I will try to keep in mind the impact on cyls 3 & 4 in relation to the PCV charge interint the intake. Thanks for a great explanation!
 
sasktrini":3o3t7e5d said:
R62Hope,

what do you mean by "minor carb adjustments"? I'm looking for clues on my 240... it's racing now even though I've closed the mixture screw and the idle speed screw isn't even touching the throttle lever.


LATER: Never mind. I had finished my conversion about 1am, and had the throttle cable set wrong and it was binding. My 240 is behaving wonderfully!

I apologize, I hadn't subscribed to this so I didn't know there was a question or a reply...

I'm glad you got that sorted! I've done some 1 AM kludging so I know where you're coming from...

I haven't got a photo of the fitting yet for the small engines but if, after I post it, you decide you want one I can machine another for you. PM me here for details.
 
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