FSPP Aluminum Head?

[Anonymous]

Have I just been asleep and missed it or what? On the FSPP site there is a headline about a new aluminum head coming out this year. Has there been any threads or info put out on this? I definatley want one when they come out but, i'd like to see some info on them if there is any. I would also like to give credit where it is due to Mike at FSPP. Great guy. Got me some stock rockers I have been looking for everywhere at a great price. If you have not dealt with him you need to. If you have money burning a hole in your pocket give it to him and you will get some great sevice and awesome parts. Plus, an aluminum head! How cool is that!
Thanks,
Gary

 

[Asa]

i don't think he's made a thread dedicated to it yet, but there have been a few posts about it
maybe he'll take over this thread to answer questions about it?

I am working on an aluminum cylinder head as well. I can't say much right now, but will say that one of the worlds leading cylinder head designers is working on the port and chamber designs as we speak. If all goes as planned, they will be available by years end, at a very reasonable cost. According to him, a naturally aspirated six with a properly designed cylinder head, can make in excess of 300-350HP. I was skeptical of this statement, but considering his designs have won the Engine Masters Challenge, I feel confident he will back it up.

http://fordsix.com/forum/viewtopic.php? ... minum+head

 

[rickwrench]

Any hints on the designer? CHI, Porting Dynamics?
Rick(wrench)

 

[barishiman]

I want one so much but argh... so much to do to my car. I would think it would based on the OZ head, a must for the detachable intake. I up to buying a new head, but I just had mine rebuilt and I have the engine running decent. So many things to buy with an empty wallet.

BTW, Mike's a good guy!

 

[Inline6Merc]

I found this a couple posts back from mike.

There are a lot of things happening behind the scenes, on cylinder head options. Some you are aware of, others you are not, but things will be getting very interesting within the next few months.

We all know how difficult it is to locate an OZ head, and the prices keep climbing, so I doubt these will be available much longer. I looked into having them reproduced, but it was too costly considering all the other options that are shaping up.

The Argie heads will be readily available thru at least one or two suppliers, if not three, in the very near future. The drawback is having to swap headers, if you already have them, as the US/OZ headers will not fit. Even though they incorporate the same port and chamber designs as the US and OZ heads, which limits the flow capacity, they are far superior to the US log heads. The big advantage, is availability, which will lower the end cost to the consumer.

Next is the aluminum crossflow that Clifford has been working on. No one knows for sure if this will actually happen, but I have heard inside rumors that they are still working on it. I don't know if it will use existing headers or if a new design will be required, but did hear they will probably use their existing intakes to keep expenses down. With new port and chamber technology, you can be sure they will out perform the Oz and Argie heads with easy.

Then there is the aluminum Argie head which is already in production, and has been previously discussed in this forum under another topic. I don't know if there are plans to import them, but believe they will show up on the market as well. I don't have any info on the flow characteristics, but have heard they are superior to their parent cast versions. The drawbacks are limited production, which may keep the prices high, even at the current exchange rates, and the need for specific headers.

I am working on an aluminum cylinder head as well. I can't say much right now, but will say that one of the worlds leading cylinder head designers is working on the port and chamber designs as we speak. If all goes as planned, they will be available by years end, at a very reasonable cost. According to him, a naturally aspirated six with a properly designed cylinder head, can make in excess of 300-350HP. I was skeptical of this statement, but considering his designs have won the Engine Masters Challenge, I feel confident he will back it up.

So, hang on to your hats, and get ready for an exciting year. Lots of options are headed your way.

Later,

Curtis

 

[AzCoupe]

As stated above, I don't have much info to post yet, but it is in the works. We are looking at a few different designs, but not sure which we will be going with. All I can say right now, is that some of the very best minds in the business are working on it, which includes John Kaase and several others.

The minimum goal set forth, is to produce an aluminum head which will achieve 300 HP naturally aspirated, at an undisclosed price. Once a final design has been chosen, a proto type will be produced and numerous flow test and dyno runs will be performed to assure optimum performance has been achieved. Only then will it go to the production stage, which is targeted for the end of summer or early fall. A lot of research and work needs to be done before then, but they have assured me, they will meet or exceed the goals I set.

 

[Asa]

couple questions
i'm assuming that it's gonna be a crossflow head, correct?
any thought into producing an EFI manifold for it, or is that too soon?
what sort of stats would this 300HP motor have? streetable at all?

i'll have more later, believe me

oh yeah... do ya think it'll be enough to lure Doug away from his log head?

 

[AzCoupe]

Crossflow? Hard to say right now, but it is one design option we are looking into. Possibly a head based on the OZ-250-2V head, as well as other designs (HEMI).

EFI, good chance.

 

[Anonymous]

Of course you know I'll be ordering one!!

Since I'm old school, I'll take mine in 4 Bbl Holley please


Later,

Doug

 

[Anonymous]

This all sounds great. I will be getting one for sure. My Bronco with a 300 HP small six sounds just right to me. What about torque numbers? I'm guessing a 250 built right with that head on it is going to be a screamer. But, I do alot of my driving in 4 wheel drive where torque is WAY more important than horsepower. This new head will open up so many new options for our engines. I can't wait. Hurry! Hurry! Hurry!

 

[Inline6Merc]

I cant wait to get one either. Im with doug, 4bbl all the way. I guesse ill have to start saving alumminaum cans.

Later,

Curtis

 

[Anonymous]

66akBronco, how are you getting 300 hp? I am going to build a 250 for my scout 800 very similar to a bronco. I am going ot run a cam with max hp at 5000 rpm, probably a 210 d at .50 cam with .500'+ valve lift , I am looking into tunning a holly 570-670 truck avenger. I am figuring out how to make the intake for the log head. I want 340 lbs at 2500rpm and 250 +hp at 5000 rpm

thanks

 

[strat1960s]

I hate to jump on a band wagon, but this sounds like a winner to me. I may just hold out a little longer on the thought of going over to the dark side of the V8.

A EFI intake would be great, but I could always go TBI. May not be as good, but then again, I want to build upon previous projects.

 

[CobraSix]

Just out of curiosity, can you base the design on some of the aftermarket 351W heads that are crossflows? That would limit some of the redesign and give us a crossflow option. Of course, dizzy may obstruct that some, but I've always wondered about doing it that way.

Be sure to let us know as you get the details. I gladly volunteer my car, I'll even drive it to AZ for the testing . You can do comparison tests on the Aussie head with it.

Slade

 

[Asa]

66akBronco, how are you getting 300 hp? I am going to build a 250 for my scout 800 very similar to a bronco. I am going ot run a cam with max hp at 5000 rpm, probably a 210 d at .50 cam with .500'+ valve lift , I am looking into tunning a holly 570-670 truck avenger. I am figuring out how to make the intake for the log head. I want 340 lbs at 2500rpm and 250 +hp at 5000 rpm

thanks

that came from Mike's statement

The minimum goal set forth, is to produce an aluminum head which will achieve 300 HP naturally aspirated, at an undisclosed price.

 

[63 4spd]

I realize that this may be inappropriate, (I'm a college kid...I have no manners) but any word or speculation about pricing?

I read on Mike's site

at a price all inline entusiast can afford

and that's encouraging. I was saving up for an Argie head but it sounds like this might be better if it's not out of my price range.

 

[chandler]

ya i second that 63 4spd as a hs/college kid im kinda broke but 300hp is a big number in a little motor....but when i think aluminum head i think the like 1300 my boss just spent on his sbc alum heads...

 

[Anonymous]

Dumb question, but what does "naturally aspirated" mean?

 

[Asa]

means there are no power adders
no Nitrous, no Supercharger, no Turbo

just a carb and an air filter

ya i second that 63 4spd as a hs/college kid im kinda broke but 300hp is a big number in a little motor....but when i think aluminum head i think the like 1300 my boss just spent on his sbc alum heads...

i wouldn't be suprised if that was the price, or around that range
as of right now, there's the Oz 250 head, ausheads quoted me a price of $850
there's the Argie head, no prices yet, but i've heard speculation of $900-$975 or so
so for this speculation, we're saying that it'll be a little over 1/3 more than any of the other performance heads so far

the only available, streetable aluminum crossflow head for the big six comes in at $2400, and that's using parts that already exist, it's just labor and materials to cut the heads up and put them back together, this will be a brand new casting
if the price is at around $1300, i'd consider it a blessing and do my best to scrape up enough money to snag one


shoot, i remember when Mike had the combined "ABC package" that included a cam, lifters, valves, headers, other stuff AND an Oz head and intake for about $1000
i always thought it was too expensive, and figured that i'd wait for a couple years so i could just buy it later
later never came, now i'm SOL

 

[AzCoupe]

It's really hard to determine the cost at this stage. A lot depends on which style I choose, and how much R&D goes into the head. Will the first proto type work, or wil it require two or three to get it to the point of production. How much time is spent on the flow bench and dyno? An so on. But my goal is to offer them for appproximately the same price the Oz and Argie heads are currently going for (all things considered).