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For one thing, the Classic Inlines header is made with stainless steel and won't rust-out. The others are made with steel and will rust-out without painting or ceramic coating.

The CI headers are also made to fit 250, or 200 low mount starter, engines.
 
We have two '61 Ranchero's here, both are C8 casting 200's.
One has the Clifford Header with a C4 automatic trans.
The other has the Classic Inlines header with a T5 trans.
Both headers are the 6-into-2 variety, with the Clifford being ceramic coated, and the Classic Inlines header being raw Stainless Steel.

OK...
Have not finished either car yet, so can't give a performance assessment yet, but I can give a general fit assessment.

- Clifford header: The bolt holes don't seem to be properly centered, so you have to tweak a bit to get it on the head. Basically, you have to start all the bolts and then draw it in, or it won't hit the holes right. We've had this header mounted on both engines, and it fit the same way on both, so it isn't the engine, it's the header that's the issue. It's like they missed a couple holes by 1/16" or so, and you have to fight it onto the head. Then, of course, comes the big question of whether or not it sealed properly with it bound up like that.
Worse... you HAVE TO use a mini-starter, or at least a smaller than stock starter of some sort, or it won't fit. And then there's the starter heat soak issue that will likely need to be dealt with afterwards. (Even with a mini-starter, which is an extra couple hundred dollar expense, it still won't have what I think is adequate clearance to avoid heat soak.)
Plus, the outlets are pointed right at the center-link where it hits the idler arm. So, plumbing is going to be fun. The idler/center-link may not be an issue on other bodies ('61 is the narrowest, after all), but the starter issue, and possible heat soak even with a mini-starter, are issues regardless of which body the car is.
It does come with what appears to be a very high quality gasket though.

- Classic Inlines header: Bolted right up to the engine. The gasket that comes with it doesn't seem as good as the Clifford gasket, but it is well above the quality level of typical economy gaskets. Fits VERY WELL on the engine, and has plenty of room for a standard starter. The split output tubes makes it easier to clear linkage as well.
Only complaint I have so far is that the collector for 1-2-3 cyl's touches the shock tower, so we're going to have to "tweak" it a little bit before we finish the car and fire it up, as I certainly don't want it rubbing or binding up in operation. Not a huge issue, but still an item that must be addressed. Basically, just need to flex it in about a 1/4" or so and all should be good.
Now, again, keep in mind that these are the narrowest engine bays that the header is designed to go in, so it may be particular to this body only.

All that said, if I had to pick between the two again in the future, I'd take the Classic Inlines header over the Clifford any day of the week, even if they were the same price.
Add in that the Classic Inlines header was much cheaper in stainless than the Clifford was in jet-hot ceramic coating, and you don't need to buy a mini-starter as well, and there is, quite honestly, no comparison.

Go with the Classic Inlines piece.
 
As for the flange hitting the shock tower, we were not aware of the problem until just recently. However I don't think it's common to most applications, otherwise we would have heard about it a long time ago. At any rate, our next batch of headers will have floating flanges, rather than welded. In other words, you can spin (or clock) the flange to any position, as it will no longer be welded in a fixed position. Hopefully this will take care of the problem, if not we'll simply move the collector inward just a bit. However I hope we don't have to do that, as I don't want to give up starter clearance if I don't have to. We should know shortly, as they are making one up so we can test fit it.

Right now we only offer stainless steel, but once we have the bugs worked out of the new design, we start making them in mild steel as well. Our mild steel headers will be offered with a high temp powder coating, rather than spray paint, or ceramic coated.

The only way you can stop rust with any certainty, is to have them ceramic coated, or make them from stainless steel. If you want the best of the best, we offer ceramic coated stainless steel, which is virtually indestructible. Plus it looks awesome......
 
Do you have any sort of estimate on when the steel one will come out? I would trust your header more than others, but a stainless header is unfortunately a little too costly for our budget.
 
AzCoupe:
Was just trying to give an honest assessment.
Frankly, I don't think the shock tower hit is that big of a deal, but... it has nothing to do with 4-5-6 clearing the starter either. The header is, quite honestly, just a little too tight at 1-2-3 for early round bodies.
As I said previously, I don't think it is that big of a deal, as it will probably fit just fine in other models. But, I had to give an honest opinion.
I really believe that if we just "tweak" the 1-2-3 collector about 1/4" in, then everything will be fine.
I would recommend the header that you produce any day of the week over the Clifford, but I have to be honest with any faults, as well as praise. Anything else would be disingenuous.
 
Thanks for the write up PhantomAce. I'm pretty much sold on the classic inlines.

Again, thanks for the info.
 
My dual out is actually from Mustangs Unlimited. It fit great; there were no clearance issues; I used a standard starter; it looks good, and it does the job nicely.

That said, its not stainless steel . . . but for those on a budget, it doesn't cost as much as stainless either.

I know the CI header is a great quality piece, I just couldn't afford one at this point in time so I went with the next best option.
 
I had the same experience as phantom ace on the clifford exhaust, between the initial cost of the header, plus the mini starter (which is an admittedly awesome piece of manufacturing goodness), it's still mild steel, and it currently has a mild exhaust leak that goes away after it warms up.

I know it's hard to save, but i would wait a couple months and buy CI's exhaust, it's a good value on paper and when you're under the hood, it would be even better.
 
PhantomAce":24ym4rhq said:
AzCoupe:
Was just trying to give an honest assessment.
Frankly, I don't think the shock tower hit is that big of a deal, but... it has nothing to do with 4-5-6 clearing the starter either. The header is, quite honestly, just a little too tight at 1-2-3 for early round bodies.
As I said previously, I don't think it is that big of a deal, as it will probably fit just fine in other models. But, I had to give an honest opinion.
I really believe that if we just "tweak" the 1-2-3 collector about 1/4" in, then everything will be fine.
I would recommend the header that you produce any day of the week over the Clifford, but I have to be honest with any faults, as well as praise. Anything else would be disingenuous.
I'm sorry you misinterpreted my reply. I wasn't upset, in fact just the opposite. I appreciate your honesty and your assessment of our headers. It's the only way we know how they fit. We were bound to have a few problems with a new header design, but our main goal was to make a header that fit both the high and low mount starters, which we accomplished. To sum things up, I thought you gave us a great review. Thanks :wink:


ArtemisI6":24ym4rhq said:
Do you have any sort of estimate on when the steel one will come out? I would trust your header more than others, but a stainless header is unfortunately a little too costly for our budget.
We hope to have the mild steel headers around the end of May or the first part of June. Price should be around $225, maybe a bit more depending on what it cost to have them powder coated. We're also thinking about offering an unpainted header, for those on a tight budget.
 
Let me take this opportunity to throw my name in as a definite buyer of an unpainted steel one if you started to offer them.
 
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