Hilborn injection for small sixes

[MandarinaRacing]

While reading the Mustang Monthly article on modifying small Ford sixes, I found a pic of this Hilborn fuel injection set-up for the 170-200-250 with a the log milled...note the cast manifold, somebody went to a lot of trouble to fabricate this, could this be one of the Stroppe intakes from the sixties????

Alex

 

[Anonymous]

Fabricate? Cast = opposite of fabricate. It was a standard Hilborn product. It has the name cast in.

 

[Anonymous]

From that site:
"Pound for pound, the 170, 200, and 250ci sixes make more torque than a small-block 302 or a 351 V-8 because they have six cylinders in a row on a common crankshaft for smooth application of firepower."
400 lb. 170" motor @ 150 ft. lbs. is more than 550 lb. 351" motor @ 350 ft. lbs? On what planet?
"Inline engines--be they four-, six-, or even eight-cylinder--apply power more smoothly and effectively on a long, common crankshaft than V-type engines."
Right - obviously, doubling the number of firing impulses (i.e., adding another bank of 4 cylinders) reduces smoothness.
He just doesn't understand the concept: "smoothness" refers to the shaking, vibration etc. as applied to the chassis through the mounts. It has NOTHING to do with crank rotational smoothness (power delivery), which is a function of the number of cylinders, flywheel/crank inertia and firing order, and is unrelated to the engine layout.
Single cylinder 500cc motor with 100 lb. flywheel is certainly "smoother" than a 4 cylinder with 10 lb. - you couldn't stall it if you wanted to.

Who writes this stuff, the gunk boy at Speedy's Pizza & Oil Change?

 

[addo]

That looks like a common throttle shaft through all six intakes. Not so clever in my book. There is also mechanical injection for a 2V; one of the guys here has a setup (uninstalled).

 

[ludwig]

When did that article appear? Is it the next issue? I get the mag but I wonder if I skipped this one or if it just came out?
A while back they promised to do some more with I6s. This must be it.

 

[xctasy]

Quote from page 249, Ford 1903-1984, (by the auto editiors of the Consumer Guide)

(Library of Congress Catalog Card Number:83-62121,
ISBN"0-88176-151-6)

Jacque Passino, Fords competition manger, said in at the 69 Mustangs launch "We've been putting out Mustang sixes kind of artificially since '64 to fill up production schedules when we couldn't get V8s. I think there is a real market for an inexpensive hop-up kit for the 250-cubic inch engine". But he was whistling in the wind. A kit never materialized, nor did a fuel -injection unit he also predicted, though both probably should have.

(Bold highlights mine)

There you go. As we all know, the 2V head came out in 1971 on an Aussie Falcon 250, and that leaves the Hillborn set-up above as the only logical example of the fuel-injection Jacque Passino noted.

Only thing is, where would the 2V head or injection unit fit under the 250 69 Mustangs hood. No room at the in, IMHO!

 

[CobraSix]

Still looks like a paid advertisment for Clifford again.

Slade

 

[MustangSix]

Who writes this stuff, the gunk boy at Speedy's Pizza & Oil Change?

Better question would be "who is this stuff written for?"

For the most part, the mainstream magazines don't cater to hardcore gearheads and engineers. They are written for the lowest common denominator and are mostly infomercials these days. It's just like radio. When only one company owns most of the magazines (or radio stations) what you get is whatever hoopla will sell that advertiser's stuff.

Keep 'em honest Panic.

 

[Anonymous]

So frustrating - many people here could have done a better job.

 

[80broncoman]

For the most part, the mainstream magazines don't cater to hardcore gearheads and engineers. They are written for the lowest common denominator and are mostly infomercials these days. It's just like radio. When only one company owns most of the magazines (or radio stations) what you get is whatever hoopla will sell that advertiser's stuff.

Well true, Very sad, but true.

 

[Anonymous]

Alex,

That is one of the Stroppe intakes from the 60's. Me and Phil seen one go on ebay last winter for $250.00 IIRC....I saved some of the pics and you can see them on my website hotrod inline6

Way to much work (IMO) to mount it and make it work, but it sure would make a great conversation piece sittin in my shop!

Later,

Doug

 

[MustangSix]

So frustrating - many people here could have done a better job.

I feel the same about the corporate dumbing down of all media. But they have no incentive to do so. That would require some sort of ethic or standards.

One test I use - if a magazine only heaps praise on a product and cannot constructively criticize an advertiser, it is not in the business of journalism. They are just media whores who will sell out to anyone offering money for their ink (or airtime).

 

[addo]

They are such slaves to sponsorship, and so dull in imagination.

If one of the Mustang mags had bagged the Evilbay intake Doug referred to, and invested similar capital to the wholesale cost of some of the other buildups (not concessional "buddy" rates, but true wholesale), they would actually have turned out a motor that might have generated more hits than some of the standard fare. And a scorcher in the performance stakes, too. They're just "colour by numbers" publications - though perhaps they see their readership as largely living a join-the-dots life.

Another reason why the Internet is such a boon at times!

Adam.

 

[MustangSix]

It's also a preprogrammed thing. Notice that about every 18 months the same sort of articles recirculate.

 

[MandarinaRacing]

Well I just posted the pic because it was a better quality tahn others I've seen. I didn't try to create a stir about that very poorly written article...but while we're on the subject...
from the article:

Coming in the spring of 2004 is a crossflow aluminum cylinder head from Jack Clifford's Performance Products for 144, 170, 200, and 250ci Ford sixes. We'll have more information on this cylinder head when it arrives. Expect to see a buildup employing this cylinder head in Mustang Monthly.

now this I gotta see.... :roll: :roll:

Alex

 

[Anonymous]

Don't forget that's the same company that was telling callers that their EFI would increase power 70% by richening it up, or 40% if you leaned it out...

Naturally people believed this. :roll:


-=Whittey=-

 

[MustangSix]

If the alloy head ever makes it to market you can probably expect several things:

1. Outrageous power claims;
2. No dyno runs;
3. big price;
4. long wait;
5. No track testing;
6. Another three page commercial in all the magazines wherein the authors wet themselves while fawning over a hunk of unsubstantiated aluminum.

But I could be wrong.

 

[Anonymous]

Maybe we could mill our intake for this carb. You think 1400 CFM would be enough? :roll:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayI ... ename=WDVW

 

[simon]

that cross-boss-carb reminds me of some weird idea I had way back... have you thought about using two porsche 911 carbs, each of them sporting three venturis inline?
they show up on local ebay here every now and then... usually sell for about 100 bucks a piece.

personally I have given it a thought or two, but local requirements for classification as historic vehicle prohibite fancy foreign multi carb setups... sadly...