Need some basic info.

[Anonymous]

Ok, I got my maverick not long ago and at first was thinking about going with the 302 swap, but it sounds like too much trouble, and I don't care for the gas mileage of a V8, also I like inline engines much better.

1.) My first question is how much power can I actually squeeze out of a 200? I mean with about $1500 worth of parts about how much power can this engine actually produce? Even if I have to put on a 250 head it's ok. Just let me know what you guys think this engine is capable of.

2.) My second question is how would I go about getting my engine to generate around 180-225hp? (I'm assuming these engines can get up to this power) I need some really good opinions on how to achieve this. So what exactly do you guys think would be required to get this engine up to this power output. I'm not too worried about getting over 200HP, honestly I'd settle for at least 170, because if I ever decide to get some serious power I'll just run a small shot of nitrous.

 

[barroom hero]

http://fordsix.com/recommendedmods.htm

some good info there.

 

[Anonymous]

Yeah but I've read it all the way through many times. I'm looking for specific data. Especially for the first question.

 

[MustangSix]

If the engine is basically in good shape, with electronic ignition, a cam swap, a carb change, and headers, you could get to 135-140 hp (in reality, about 50 hp more than stock).

You could very easily get 225+hp with just the addition of a turbo. A TO4 blowing just 8psi should do just about that at about 4500 rpm, even without an intercooler.

 

[Anonymous]

I have a t3 turbo right now sitting in an old car in my yard that I could use I'm sure. But wouldn't I have to have tons of parts fabricated to make it work? Also, and I've asked this before without a satisfactory answer, how does a turbo work on a carbeurated engine? I know that in a fuel injected engine it uses exhaust gases to spin a turbine that forces air into the throttle body, how does it work on a carbeurated engine? Does it have a big hose or something that hooks up to the carbeurator and forces air into it? A good clear picture or a diagram would be very nice. I'd really like to do this, but I'm just not sure if I could find a way to adapt this turbo to my maverick.

Also with a well built engine like you mentioned pushing 140hp or so would the car actually be fast at all? Or would it still be a slug? My mother has an acura integra which I believe has about 140hp and it's not what I'd call really fast, but it has decent acceleration, and since the maverick weighs a few hundred pounds more it seems like it would still be sluggish. My target HP is really around 190-210.

 

[xctasy]

The TO3 is okay to 370 hp. Fords in Australia used it. The turbo saw duties in little 2.3 to 2.5 liter Peaugot's with 79 to 88 hp, and then in Holdens with 200 hp EFI Turbo Nissan engines. That 370 hp is with an intergal waste gate, so the turbo with the right trim can possibly hit the big 400!









If you'd like to use two T03's, try this little number...

 

[Anonymous]

I've seen turbos on EFI vehicles before, I had one in fact. What I don't understand is how you hook up a turbo to a carburated engine.

 

[Anonymous]

go to page 4 or 5 and look under the topic 'turbo six RUNS!!!' by import killer, he has done a homemade turbo setup on his engine. It works the same way, a throttle body is basically a fuel injected cars carburater, so just force air into the carb.

Good luck with the tubo, should be killer.

Dave

 

[Anonymous]

About how much do you guys think it would cost to have the plumbing and stuff for a turbo setup like that made?

 

[Anonymous]

I think a turbo "sticky' is needed. I would like to do this too someday.

What we need is a kit!

How about it AzCoupe.

 

[CobraSix]

There are two ways of running turbos on carbs:

1) Blow Thru

or

2) Draw Thru

Blow thru is just like it sounds. The turbo operates the same as for EFI, just that it is located upstream of the carb. Air travels in this direction: INTAKE->TURBO->CARB->CYLINDER It compresses the air, and then forces it through the carb. THis usually requires some carb modifications, but is generally the better set up because you aren't heating the gas when you compress the air, and also you can add an intercooler to this set up.

Draw thru has the air go like this: INTAKE->CARB->TURBO->CYLINDER
Draw thru is easier to set up because it doesn't require a special carb, just one with higher CFM. Downsides is you heat the gas and you can't realisitically use an intercooler.

But yes, carbs work fine with turbos, though EFI is better for it.

Back to your original question. I basically just spent $1500 on head stuff (Aussie Head, intake manifold, carb, cam etc) and I expect I should be around 130 or so RWHP based on other people's numbers. So that is about 160-170 BHP.

How much to 200HP? Cheap if you want a turbo. It doesn't take a lot of fabricating, in fact most exhaust shops should be able to do that kind of work. Just use your stock manifold, run a J-pipe from it to the turbo, then route the turbo exhaust to your exhaust system, the compressor then gets routed to you carb. Fairly simple, and probably a lot cheaper then what I did.

Then there is also the supercharger route...same basic thing.

Slade

 

[Anonymous]

Sounds good then. I guess I'll go ahead and build up my engine like I want it then strap the turbo on to it, but where would I go when it comes time to get all of the turbo stuff done? I mean I doubt guys at a muffler shop will know how to plumb a turbo.

Also I've heard about putting 250 heads on 200 engines, does this really make a difference?

 

[CobraSix]

All you need them to plumb is to make a J pipe from your manifold to your turbo. Set the turbo up and then you can tell them just to plumb from the manifold to the turbo and then from the turbo to the exhaust. You'll probably have better luck at a performance speed shop, so look around for those. They generally have a better idea about custom applications.

Slade

 

[Anonymous]

allright cool, think it will cost much to do that?

 

[Anonymous]

I will need to kill you if you get a turbo in you`r mav befor I get one it mine . If you do it you`ll need to send us pics 8)

 

[Anonymous]

Are turbos really expensive or something? I've never bought one, the one I have came in my '84 300ZX turbo.

 

[CobraSix]

you can buy used ones for $50-100. I wouldn't mess with used, at least get a rebuilt one, usually about $200. I would guess $300 for the j-pipe and to the exhaust system.

Slade

 

[xctasy]

Turbos are sort of like an engine rebuild kit.

It's fairly cheap, but if you muff it up in the installation, you end up with a pile of junk you can never sell off.

Turbos are not that expensive. In NZ, they are a NZ$600 buck prospect, with a check up 100 notes, a reco up to 800 buckes if it has a waste gate or impellor or bearing issues. Inthe US, they may be more. In your dollars, could be only 400 bucks for a really good one. Less if you've got contacts or can do a deal.

We have lots of ricers/Jappers here. Most Jap turbos are too small, but the Nissan 30 ounce (300z, get it?) is a nice size.

You've got to sit down, and find out what your signing up for.

Most of use like to think we can do it all, but theres lots to organise before you get bits custom fabricated. The spanner turning stage is the culmination of asking some real though questions, and know you've got the answers.

As one guy said a while back, plenty of us have carby problems and ignition problems which we can't sort. If we find that hard going, were not yet ready for a turbo.

What I found a source of delight here, is that everyone shares there info, and helps one another out. You'll find most of the answers to any question here.

You Americans are really doing some cool stuff with turbo sixes. I guess the fact that you invented them has something to do wit it. Used to just be kiwis with RZ Supras and Aussies with FordFalcon Cross-flows and Holden Commodores, but some guys on this forum are doing some stunning stuff with some great results. Especially Import Killer, and a guy Dynoman on the 240/300 forum with a twin turbo 300 to name but a few.

54Ford has put a lot of input into his 250 project engine, gmdestroya on the Aussie forum, and others can answer some questions. And still others are planning anyhalation of ricer dom. (that's me) Death by Hair Drier

Another look at Dynomans on the EFI SINGLE TURBO MANIFOLD post on 240/300 Big Six Performance.

(Yum yum yum, me want just one!)

 

[Anonymous]

xecute really hits a nail; turbos and blowers require lots of engine experience, not to mention time, to get them running right. Even motorcycles I have done took LOTS of time to super/turbocharge, and those things are completely out in the open when it comes to adding parts. My only 'advice' here would be: if you are not an expert mechanic, avoid those tricky setups. I only became a semi-expert after rebuilding 30 engines, converting 3 to blowers/turbos, and reading many, many books and articles. Now, the only engines I'm expert in are 390 Ford (FE family) and Honda/Sukuki bikes. I like my 200 I6 a bunch, though.

The Aussie heads add enormous power for the $$$, just check with Mustangaroo. He used to hit the freeway on-ramp by his house at 60-65 MPH in the stock form, then over 90 MPH with nothing more than a new Aussie head. There's a lot to be said for starting with that $500 mod. Mavs tended to have low-ratio differentials (in the Grabbers, not the MPG models), which just begs for the high RPM that the Aussie head will give. Grabbers also had working hood scoops: find some of those for free HP.

Going to a high-compression (9.8:1) Aussie head, adding a 2-bbl Holley, a decent cam, headers and dual exhaust setup will give you lots of torque and HP, especially with a low-ratio differential (like 3.03:1 or 3.25:1). Adding a nitrous kit for the Saturday night ride would let you save gas while going to EARN the $$ that you will be SPENDING on Saturday.. I've seen this, well done, give around 125 rear-wheel HP, which figures out to something higher than 150-170HP before the trans.

 

[Anonymous]

The scoops on the grabber hood are fake (I know because I have one) but they are easy to meke real though but grabber hoods are not cheap for a good one you`ll prolly end up paying 150 - 300 bux for one, lucky for me I got one for $30.oo . The grabbers were the same as all the other 2 door mavericks the only things that they changed was the paint , hood , and spoiler