other I6's

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so I just got a 77 datsun 280z with the I6. That got me thinking about other 6's. How does the datsun compair to the 200. Any similarities? would a EFI I6 swap be possible in our cars. How about trans? is it strong?
Thanks
Paul
 
What kind of condition is the 280 in? Is it running or just need to be parted out. I'd love to have an old 280 to build into a Auto-X racer.

You won't find much compatitibility with the 200. Datsuns have intake on the driver's side. You could upgrade it to MPI from a later model. It would be easier just intall the whole engine/tranny combo into the Mustang if that's to your liking.
 
Nissan/Datsun engines are really, really tough things with enormous strength in reserve. They are very narrow bore spacing wise at about 3.8125" between bores, same as a Jag XK-E, but much shallower. There is no more than a 89 mm bore capability if you use a Diesel block, so 196 cubic inches is as far as it can be taken. Largest crank throw I've seen is 86 mm.

The block is longer than the 200 due to the OHC cam layout. The left hand exhast isn't an issue because the engine is tilted to the passenger side. Starter is high mount like the 200 high starter.

The stock Mustang/Falcon/Maverick engine mounts work if you make custom engine mounts. I'm doing some here in NZ for our guys who like the closely related RD28 or LD28 diesels in there because of the high price of gas. All Nissan/Datsuns run similar sump postions, and its easy to swap a 240, 260, 280, 2.8 Diesel or even the RB26DETT engines from skylines.

The main drawback is its very heavy. Even the later RB30E EFI engines with alloy heads hit the 473 pound mark, and the 280 z is even heavier. Cam chains and running low on oil kill the engines. The earlier HKS/SU intake likes bigger SU 2" carbs, and the stock 280 Z/ZX EFI is rather restrictive. The engine loves a big rev up, and is pleasent right over the 5000 rpm range in a way foreign to the 200/250 engines.

The gearboxes are mostly cr*p. Although the Jatco 3, 4 and 5 stage autos are not the best, neither are the monobloc 5-speed manuals. Looked after, there is no reason to change them. The busines I do down here is fitting Volvo/Maserati/Ford Oz BTR LE transmissions to Nissan engines.

The stock V8 crossmember fits the 280 Z/280ZX boxes with a redrill to suit the Nissan mount, and they should be okay.

If you want some details, I'll give you the fab diagrams.
 
xtaxi,
you got me thinking. is the datsun 4 or 5 spd. compatible to the 200. Mine is a 81 but has a high mount starter. would this be a good choise. I was prepared to do the t5 swap but the scarsceness of parts and the high mounted starter stopped my plans. What do you think?

and Inliner,
it is in fair condition. NO RUST. or atleast not much. I've been told that is what killed these cars. seems mechanicly good. smokes a little. I have it pretty much stripped. planning on painting and restoring. But i just got some z catalogs and prices seem outrageous. Not realy sure what to do.
Paul
 
Since we are on a Ford site, I won't suggest you shove a 280 Zee engine in a Ford....


The trans is a no-go, but not impossilbe.

The Datsun 4 and 5 speeds are suited to slanted, metric, deap skirt 4 and 6 cylinder blocks which sit far forward in the engine bay. I know I can fit the Ford trans to a Nissan, but the Nissan trans to a Ford is a bit of a 'big ask'. The Nissan bellhousing is integrated (cast in unit ) on the manuals. The Jatco 3 and 4 speed autos are separate at the bell housing.

The trick is always use the donar engines flywheel and starter if you can. Failing that, it may work with a plate adaptor. The Aussie GM OHV L6 engines used Nissan gearboxes up until the mid eighties, then they used the whole Nissan engine. The manual boxes had too many syncromesh and gear selector problems. This was a stark contrast to the reliability of the L and R series engines.

Unlike the Toyata 'boxes, the shifter on a Nissan is way back, and you either bend the lever or just live with it in the wrong position. Toyota gearboxes have 3 different kinds of lever positon for the early steel case gearboxes used up till 1988.
 
Yes the box will fit ring Castlemain Rodshop they do a kit

The 240 box is fairly strong and there's a few different ratio's. Its also shorter than the other datto 5 speed's
Pick of the bunch would be from the Skyline mr30 2.4E
 
Would that be the same as the jap 280zx??
The later came with the VG20ET and shared the same trans as the VL crappadore

Some times I like to play with datto's
Here's some pic's of my wifes 1600 that was passed down to her by her farther
Its probly the most famous datto in Aus

http://www.ozdat.com/ozdatonline/featur ... tsezy.html
 
Hey, can we learn some stuff about our sixes by looking at these things!

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The Turbo 280 ZX was US market only. The Corvette and some Z28's were starting to grow horns again, so the Datsun manual, always suffering teeth and synchromesh issues being the sixes, was replaced with the new T5.

I've seen the Fairlady 200ZX-Turbo, it was the first of the next genration.

All Commodores in the VL RB20E and RB30E/ET incarnation were backed by the Nissan 5-speed or Jatco. Not a great transmission there. The auto can be strenghtened at considerable expense.

Any L or Z series Datsonny is a tough old boot.

NB//Do a google image search on the 280ZX . The Turbo version is the one with two triangular bonnet vents. It stared as a white t-top in Madonnas Borderline video back in 1983. I think it was in at the 175 to 200 hp level.

Like this one:-http://images.google.co.nz/imgres?i...atsun+280ZX+&start=20&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&sa=N
 
Ya learn somthin new every day!!
Cheers Mate
I have heaps of datto 6's sittin around as well as A and L series engines
I have a turbo setup for the L28 but have never had time to fit it

I wouldn't mind gettin my hands on an L to T5 bellhousing
 
hey,
so the turbo 280zx's had a t5 manual?? is this identical to the 4 cyl and v8's?? is this another choice as far as a transmission resource?? can i pick up a cheap tranny from a z easier than from a ford?? also, Gassed, u said you have a z turbo six setup. will that work on a non turbo engine?? sorry so many questions but the last posts have really sparked my interest since i would love a t5 for my stang
thanks
paul
 
Its only a std turbo manifold and it looks to have the same bolt pattern and the N/A

But Im going to keep it I might even fit it one day
 
The exhast manifold will work on a non-cross flow I6 Falcon engine, as the exhast ports are spaced the same to the 16 th of an inch. The length of the manifold is the same, despite bore spacings 7% wider. The mating face on the I6 Falcon log is about 30 degrees from vertical, while the mildly tilted Nissan six has a vertical mating face.

You'd have to saw off the log, and run the turbo off the dual out cast iron header tube they all have .The diesel and gasoline ones on the L28 and LD28 are the same. The header pipe then comes out near the engine mount on the right hand side.

Been working on some concepts. Plenty of old junked LD28's down here!
 
I worked as a Partsman at a Datsun dealership back in '79 and '80. So the memeory is a little "foggy" :wink: but here goes.

The 280 Z was rated in the 150 HP range; or I should say the 240 Z was for sure. I don't think they got alot more HP from the extra 40 cc and fuel injection. Speaking of the FI, it is actually a Bosch "L-Jetronic" system. Very simple and basic. This was one of the first electronic systems out in the market and a few things were still yet to be learned. IIRC there is no way of getting "trouble codes" or any other diagnostic info out of the system. When the FI was running badly all the mechanics could do was replace sensors/parts until it ran better. So troubleshooting was a chore :x .

tanx,
Mugsy
 
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