Oz head owners

strat1960s

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I have a 65' Mustang with a 68 / 200 in-line six. I had the motor rebuilt last spring with all the little goodies including, port and polish, spin balance recipocating parts, Isky 262 cam, FSP roller rockers, and a FSP Oz Head. I am running a Weber 38 DGAS 2bbl carb and the Clifford dual out headers. With the size and shape of the carb, I am running into some clearance problems. Part of the electic choke housing is less than 1/8 inch from the export brace and the air cleaner is making slight contact with the hood support.

For those of you running the Oz head, what types of carbs are you running and have you run into any clearance problems? Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Sincerely,
Ted Schubert

PS. right now the car is at the body shop getting all prettied up with a fresh coat of Dodge Viper Blue and white stripes up the middle.
 
Ted,

With the Holley 2V anfd a two inch Ford Racing air filter, I had no clearance issues either way. Trips are a bit tighter though. :D

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I am running a Holley 2300 w/electric choke. I had to loosen the motor mounts and shove the engine towards the drivers side for clearance. My aircleaner also rubs the hood brace, but its no big deal. I guess I could use a Ford Racing aircleaner but then my engine would look like Az's :wink:
 
one thing to keep in mind is that the 67-68 mustang engine compartments are 2 inches wider than the 65-66.
Yes they may be wider buy where? We have both a 1965 and 1968 Mustang and both have Aussie 2v heads and intakes, the 1965 has more clearance that my 68' at the intake level, but the 68' has more clearance around the engine block area! No issues with either one in the Air Cleaner department, both using the Chrome 2" air cleaners from PepBoys! :wink:
 
Thanks guys. And I hope to get some more information on the different types of carbs that are being run on these OZ heads. I am trying to decide if I want to ditch the Weber 38 for a different carb. There are more issues here than just clearance. From my understanding, the average 2bbl carb only has 2 jets to deal with. (That makes it sound a little easier to tune the carb) My Weber has 3 jets, a main jet, an idle jet, and an air corrector jet. If I change one of those three jets it may throw the other jets way off. Too many varriable and not too many people around here know much about Weber carbs to begin with.
Thanks again for your responses.
Ted
 
I too am running the 2300/350 Holley manual choke. No clearance problems with the Comet except having to use a smaller the air filter.
 
I'm running a HOlley 4V.

My issue was with some of the casting I had to cut out to clear the throttle, and I had to cut some of the throttle off the carb. I've also mounted the carb sideways, with the primaries parallel to the engine.

I went with a tubular tower brace kit and an edelbrock foam filter.

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slade, i have to say BOTH your engine pictures look NICE

You have inspired me to paint my engine....while still in the car.

I also plan for chrome export and monte bar...changing from my original color scheme

thanks for the pix!!
 
I'm running Motorcraft 2100 with 1/2 inch spacer and Edelbrock air cleaner, no clearance problems.

Mike
 
If you have a 38 Weber, stick with it!

Ford Oz ran the 34 ADM an it was brilliant. You are most likely having bproblems with excessive pressure. The Aussie carbs ran a blead back Carter fuel pump for 3.5 psi of fuel pressure. if your getting 7 psi like I suppose, then all the emulsion tube and idle corrector jets will be out, and consequently the main circuits too.

David Vizard had a simply excellent instrucion on setting up the Weber carbs on Minis and Cortinas. There was also a pealer of a book on Weber carbs by someone back in the 1980's. Webers aftermarket support was astounding, and somewhere, there is a book. Check out panics site.

The Aussie Falcons ran staged carbs, and the fuel pump may be better suited. The Europeans used the 38 Weber on Ford V6's, and it always had a return line. Do you have one?

Here are the Falcon specs if they are any help.

<<<<< Carby jetting for the stock ADM34/34 staged 2-bbl Weber used in 1984 to 1993 cross-flow Falcons. There are four basic types of pre unleaded ADM carbs, plus later unleaded carbs. The unleaded ones are in brackets. It's rough, sorry.
 
Yes they may be wider buy where? We have both a 1965 and 1968 Mustang and both have Aussie 2v heads and intakes, the 1965 has more clearance that my 68' at the intake level, but the 68' has more clearance around the engine block area! No issues with either one in the Air Cleaner department, both using the Chrome 2" air cleaners from PepBoys!


it should be two inches wider at the shock towers. extra room was added to fit big blocks.
 
Thanks guys. And I hope to get some more information on the different types of carbs that are being run on these OZ heads. I am trying to decide if I want to ditch the Weber 38 for a different carb. There are more issues here than just clearance. From my understanding, the average 2bbl carb only has 2 jets to deal with. (That makes it sound a little easier to tune the carb) My Weber has 3 jets, a main jet, an idle jet, and an air corrector jet. If I change one of those three jets it may throw the other jets way off. Too many varriable and not too many people around here know much about Weber carbs to begin with.
Thanks again for your responses.
Ted

Okay. I'll tell you what to do, not why.

The carb is really a 38DGES as someones placed the electric choke on it. It flows 300 cfm @ 1.5" Hg , enough for an easy 165 hp if jetted and sized with the correct venturis, without flinching.

The stock jets are 145 mains, 45 idle , 185 idle corrector.

The main venturi is only 27 mm, much smaller than what an Aussie 250 34 ADM Weber runs ( its 27/29),

The 38 is going to need to have a large main jet to compenstate.

The rule for all primary and syncronised Webers is the main jet should be the venturi diameter divided by 20. Thats a 135 main jet at the very least. A 145 jet flows about 300 cc per minute of gas, so two jets plus a 60 power valve jet will give only 110 hp or so.

The best idle jet is 55 or 65, not the 45 it came with.

Summary: Go for a bigger idle jet

There are two other options for the main jetting.

Option 1. The 38 carb has heaps of meat in it. Fly cut the venturis to 31 mm as per David Vizards 32/36 DGVS Weber mods, and place a set of 165 to 175 jets in it. Leave the air corrector at 185, and dont change from the F50 emulsion tube. The casting is thicker than the Holley Weber or Weber 32/36 carb body, and even then David said if the unthinkable happened, then just expoxy the body back up, and smoothen it back with find sand paper and clean. He also stated a small blunting or radius on the air horn and clearing the casting flash off the booster venturi was alone is worth 2 hp.

Option 2: Stick with the little 145-155 jets, and tune as per there instructions

Critical Notes:

Use the correct fuel pump recomended by these following guys. (The XE/XF Falcon Australian Carter fuel pump has a built-in 3.5 psi regulator if you want to use it. You have to use the 1.5 mm drain back valve and return line to the fuel pump, and plumb a return lin to the tank. It will work okay.

Or fit a pressure regulator with a very short hose to the carb).

http://www.piercemanifolds.com/Catalogpages/fordhr.htm

http://www.piercemanifolds.com/Images/Catalog/K617-38.htm

Note these
1.MUST CHANGE FUEL PUMP

2.MINOR LINKAGE MODIFICATION IS REQUIRED

3.MAJOR LINKAGE MODIFICATION IS REQUIRED ON AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION VEHICLES.

4.WE RECOMMEND DUAL CARBURETORS FOR MODERATE AND HIGH PERFORMANCE APPLICATIONS.

5.IF ORIGINALLY MECHANICAL STYLE LINKAGE, IT MUST BE CONVERTED TO CABLE STYLE LINKAGE. THIS REQUIRES MAJOR LINKAGE MODIFICATIONS.

6.HOOD CLEARANCE PROBLEM

7.INCLUDES FULL FLOW HEATED MANIFOLD AND “PRO-BUGâ€￾ STYLE LINKAGE

8.FOR USE ON RACE VEHICLES ONLY. BRAKE BOOSTER MUST BE REMOVED.

9.FITS ENGINES THAT WERE ORIGINALLY CARBURATED OR FUEL INJECTED.

10.THIS IS A “YOU MAKE IT WORKâ€￾ APPLICATION. MAJOR MODIFICATION MAY BE REQUIRED.

11.SOME VEHICLES MAY REQUIRE SOME LINKAGE MODIFICATION TO MAINTAIN AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION KICK DOWN AND PASSING GEAR. ALL OTHER TRANSMISSION OPERATIONS WILL REMAIN FUNCTIONAL.

12.UNIVERSAL KITS FIT A WIDE VARIETY OF APPLICATIONS. SOME LINKAGE AND FITMENT MODIFICATIONS MAY BE NECESSARY.


Don't let any of this bother you. The Weber 38 is very highly regarded, and can produce a huge amount of power very economically. It was the in carb for 2800 and 3000 cc European Ford Capris, and has no major faults. It also looks great.

Just make sure you either rejig the engine mounts or place a stay rod on the drivers side to stop the carb hitting anything.

the66Mustang does an awesome set of brace bars if you need space!
 
barroom hero,
it should be two inches wider at the shock towers. extra room was added to fit big blocks.

Ya your right! What do I know I just have a 1965 and 1968 Mustang to compare to each other, side by side, with the same engines, intakes and air cleaners! The 67-68 may have been made wider to accept a V8 block, but last I checked the block doesn't go all the way up the shock tower! Let me repeat again, "Clearence at the Intake level (near the top) on a Aussie 2v head and intake, the 65-66 shock towers are wider than the 67-68 shock towers! :bang: :duh: :wink:
 
Ok, I think the name Frankenstang is ever more appropriate in my case. Let me start from the begining. When I got the motor back from the machine shop with the OZ head already installed, I had to shim the passenger side motor mounts so I could get the intake on the head. Secondly, beacause the OZ head intake manifold did not mate up properly with my Weber 38 DGAS, I had the machine shop fabricate an adapter so I could mount it. The adapter is approx. 1 to 1.5 inches tall. That is where I run into my hood clearance problems. I asked the manager at the body shop if he could grind the hood support brace down about .25 to .50 inches. He said for safety reasons he could not do that. I then asked if he could modify the brace with a "BFH", he said that he may be able to do that for me. (BFH = big frickin hammer)
Having said all of that, I could fix my hood cleanace problem by shaving about .25 to .50 inches off the adapter, but then the electric choke assembly would be making contact with the support brace running from the fire wall to the shock tower. One idea that I had that might clear up the hood clearance issue was to relocate the aircleaner.
Hope this clears things up a little.
Thanks again for all the suggestions. I plan to read and re-read them till I get an idea of how I can fix this. Please keep the suggestions rolling in. IF I could post some pictures, I think it would clear up some of the confusion I may have caused, but I haven't figure that one out yet.
Ted
 
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