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60falcon144

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alrighty, since I have begun working on my falcon I have realised I have a lot of questions. So i thought i misewell make a thread for them! Today I checked my compression....
cyl 1: 40
cyl 2: 90
cyl 3 : 75
cyl 4: 90
cyl 5: 90
cyl 6: 100

I must say, this seems pretty brutal to me :shock: any ideas?
 
:hmmm: You likely have a (burnt) valve and or (loose) valve guide in cyl 1. Time for a tear down and some rebuild work
 
Have you adjusted the valves recently? If so, you might have #1 too tight.

If not, then I agree with bubba22349, time to take the head off.

If you take the head off, now would be the time to consider swapping the head out for a later one with larger valves and intake.
Maybe a carb upgrade.
 
The valves arent too tight so it probably is a burnt valve. Ill start tearing it apart closer to the weekend. Thanks.
 
60falcon144

Before you tear into it you might want to redo that compression test.

Get the engine fully warmed up.

Remove all the spark plugs.

Make sure the battery is fully charged and strong.

Open the throttle all the way.

Crank the engine untill you get the peak reading.

Add a teaspon of engine oil and redo that cyclender and each one.



Does the engine burn oil?

60falcon144":3st2o10a said:
Also the engine wont idle without choke.

This could indicate either an air leak or a bad idle circuet.
 
Hey guys, been a while, been busy with work and school. I am done working on the falcon till spring but need to do some researching, i am planning on building a spare engine and am going to need a rebuild kit for it. it is also a 144. where would i be able to get a hold of a kit? Also if my plans dont change, the spare engine will have forced induction :D
 
I love the thought of another small six turbo build. 8) The four main bottom end is a bit questionable, but I am personally curious what it will take to break it.

I believe you are kind of pioneering on this one.

You get the compression problem solved?
 
Compression is good now, had a few burned valves. If i build a turbo engine it will only be like 8psi i was thinking. Still going to need a rebuild kit whether it be for the engine that is in it or for the turbo build.
 
Also if my plans dont change, the spare engine will have forced induction

There's a turbo forum on this site...
 
60falcon144":1nkypmow said:
I know, i have been looking around on it.

Dat's it! my man. Another school (free tho)!
Whadda they recommend on that engine for a 'turbine' (or whatever it's called)?
Do U need a pop-off valve? an 'intercooler'?
 
I plan on using an intercooler and a turbo with an internal wastegate. Going to build the manifold and all that good stuff myself.
 
"...on using an intercooler..."
I have not visited our (or any) turbo forum(s). I have very limited knowledge.
Would it not be an easier (less expensive, fewer prts) system w/o the inter-cooler? I think chebby did it with the Grand National yrs ago. Some one just listed the early '80s volvo which may have been similar...

the waste gate is an alternative to "pop off" valve, no?

just outta curiosity is there a site with simple schematics (just the individual parts sketched in where they go) showing the different methods used to turbocharge engines that U know of?
Thank you,
 
It would be easier and less expensive to build it without an intercooler, but the intercooler keeps the air going into the intake cool. I actually am not sure what a pop off valve is or does but I do know the wastegate is there to regulate the boost pressure to prevent overboosting (I think)

The only schematic I could find is of the setup I plan on using.
http://engineerography.com/2009/04/turb ... r-engines/
 
chad":oyh82dsj said:
"...on using an intercooler..."
I have not visited our (or any) turbo forum(s). I have very limited knowledge.

the waste gate is an alternative to "pop off" valve, no?
just outta curiosity is there a site with simple schematics (just the individual parts sketched in where they go) showing the different methods used to turbocharge engines that U know of? Thank you,

I need edumacating also about turbo builds , If you're interested, the sticky's in the Turbo, Supercharger, and Nitrous section are helpful...

... blowoff valve relieves pressure in the intake, the wastegate relieves exhaust turbine pressure to control the turbo spin with exh. bypassing or venting externally...
 
chad":7z7tz5jk said:
"...on using an intercooler..."
I have not visited our (or any) turbo forum(s). I have very limited knowledge.
Would it not be an easier (less expensive, fewer prts) system w/o the inter-cooler? I think chebby did it with the Grand National yrs ago. Some one just listed the early '80s volvo which may have been similar...

the waste gate is an alternative to "pop off" valve, no?

just outta curiosity is there a site with simple schematics (just the individual parts sketched in where they go) showing the different methods used to turbocharge engines that U know of?
Thank you,

I am well into the process of collecting parts for my first turbo build, and am hardly an authority on this subject, but I have done quite a bit of homework and feel comfortable with what I am doing as far as that goes. I have read and re-read many writeup that have been written including "Lincs 200" and "Borts62" 's writeups that are specific to our small sixes.

The wastegate is required to control the boost from the turbocharger. Some are built into the turbo housing itself (internal), and some are integrated into the exhaust upstream of the turbocharger (external). Both do the same job and one is definitely required. The detect a certain amount of boost (which can be adjusted by changing springs or using a controller) and reroute the exhaust flow around the turbine wheel and stop boost from building any further. This is different from the Blow off valve you mentioned which is more optional. The BOV is located on the "cold" side of the system and opens and releases pressure when the throttle is closed suddenly and there would otherwise be nowhere for this pressure to go and it kind of "backs up" against the turbo and can make bad things happen.

As far as an intercooler, one is never really required, but it really limits you on boost. If you look back at the turbo Buicks as you mentioned, the real power was not made until the use of an intercooler as well as EFI. There is not much involved with the installation of an intercooler and the associated ducting when compared to all else required to turbocharge one of our sixes. I have heard from several sources that the discharge air from the turbocharger can become quite hot, and considering the detonation tendencies of our sixes, it seemed like cheap insurance to use and IC to keep the temps down and I am personally using one. I bought a new bar and plate IC off ebay for about 50 bucks and used ones can be had for less.

You will need to spend time and money on the fuel supply system (pump, lines, boost referenced regulator) as well as the carburetor itself. Some distributor work will have to be done to reduce timing as well as the fabrication of things such as brackets and exhaust. So you will need to do some welding or know someone that can do it for you. All this is covered in the articles done by "Linc" and "Bort". Others have also done writeups, but those two are stickied.

I don't mean to discourage you at all, but I just wanted to point out there is a lot to be done in order to accomplish this and with out a "kit" offered by anyone, most of the piecing and fitting as well as the tuning falls on your shoulders. The articles written by these guys are very helpful and will give you an idea of what is involved and see whether or not you want to give it a try. Didn't scare me away, in fact it looks quite challenging and fun. :beer:
 
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