Rebuild 200 add triple webers & header

[Anonymous]

I need to rebuild my 200 due to warn rings, I want to "hop" the motor up a bit, instead of doing a V8 swap... I like having a inline 6, and many of you seem to also, so you can understand. I want to keep the car as a daily driver and I would like to add Triple Webers and dual exhaust, along with rebuilding the low-end of the engine.

Please help me with:

Suggestions and specs for the low-end

best way to go about adding the carbs (do I have to buy a new head?)

Cam?

Is there anywhere I could just order and engine all ready built for me with all this stuff on it?

One more important item... budget... I would like to stay around $2000..... is this even possible?

Ok,,, yes I know that it is impossible to stay within a budget when messing with a Mustang...I only add that part to please my wife.

 

[addo]

Triple Webers would destroy your budget pretty fast.

I'd suggest specifying a built long motor from one of the decent engine places. Not a generic rebuilt, but a place who understand what needs to be done. You'd probably fit a cam with around 268° advertised duration.

Maybe modify the head to acept a pair of carbs from 144 or 170 sixes. That will keep the total parts cost down, and labour should be reasonable too.

Cheers, Adam.

 

[Anonymous]

I am open to all suggestions, and definately open to ideas on how to try to stay with in budget. I like the idea of dual carbs. Not sure where to find a "decent engine place..."

Thanks for the help, and please keep the thoughts and suggestions coming. I have found this website to be an extremely helpful place to "air out" some of my thoughts.

Triple Webers would destroy your budget pretty fast.

I'd suggest specifying a built long motor from one of the decent engine places. Not a generic rebuilt, but a place who understand what needs to be done. You'd probably fit a cam with around 268° advertised duration.

Maybe modify the head to acept a pair of carbs from 144 or 170 sixes. That will keep the total parts cost down, and labour should be reasonable too.

Cheers, Adam.

 

[addo]

How far are you from JMS Racing Engines in El Monte? They built a big six for one member here, who's got proven dyno results with it.

 

[falcon fanatic]

Probably the most economical intake system would be modifying the head to accept a single two barrel. Not as cool or powerful as some of the other options mentioned, but easier and still a big improvement over stock.

Oh yeah, buy the Ford Falcon Performance Handbook for more detail on engine specs, tips & tricks.

 

[XFlow_Fairlane]

I second the single carb conversion for a 2v. set it up for a weber pattern and you can always get a plat eto go to a holley carb.

 

[Anonymous]

How far are you from JMS Racing Engines in El Monte? They built a big six for one member here, who's got proven dyno results with it.

I am in Northern California, so that puts me about 250 miles from El Monte. Any idea what it cost to have them produce his motor?

 

[HighVolkage]

Hey,
I just wanted to throw in the perspective of somebody who pulled off the triple Weber setup. Yes, it does get expensive but I think that realistically you could stay in your 2g budget and still pull the tri-power off.

I think that the webers were around 150 each, the offy manifold was around 250, and the machine work was, for me, around 800 which included porting as well as a general clean up and machining of the log to accept the offy intake. so, if you have access to cheap machining then you will manage to do it well under your budget. good luck and let me know if you have any q's

 

[t-west]

You might try someplace like HiPerformer Auto N Marine Engines on ebay, listing number 7905140860 ($1080). I emailed them about a year ago for just the short block prices and it was a couple of hundred dollars less expensive. I don't remember if they would do any custom cam work though -- you might have to do that yourself. They did say that all their bores are over, but in varying degrees (I assume depending on the core).

Not sure what's in Manteca, but if Mustangs Plus won't do a 6, you might call DeGraef in Modesto. They'll try to convince you to drop in a 351, but if they can't do it they may know someone who will. They were always really easy to work with for me (matching prices from catalogs, etc.)

--tom

 

[Mercury Mike]

Every time you mention those guys it's funny 'cause I grew up right around there. I got a small six long block from el monte head and it is niiiice. =D I love the idle, way quiet, good mileage, well tuned (well I tuned it and everything... =D Love the motor. Ask around for where in your area there are some good builders.

 

[Anonymous]

Hey,
I just wanted to throw in the perspective of somebody who pulled off the triple Weber setup. Yes, it does get expensive but I think that realistically you could stay in your 2g budget and still pull the tri-power off.

I think that the webers were around 150 each, the offy manifold was around 250, and the machine work was, for me, around 800 which included porting as well as a general clean up and machining of the log to accept the offy intake. so, if you have access to cheap machining then you will manage to do it well under your budget. good luck and let me know if you have any q's

I've been talking with some people at Clifford Performance... they want to build me a Head that will accept the Offy triple set up... I think this is the way I am going to go.

Blueprinted cylinder head machined for Offy intake.

Offy intake manifold with linkage

K-909 Weber 1 brl carbs

93-2021 Clifford 264 camshaft
93-2801 Hardened pushrod

93-2901 Hyd lifters
93-3811 1.6 adjustable rocker assy
93-2871 JP/Clifford Double roller timing set
Header for dual exhaust

"Your machine shop will need to use .060 sealed power, aluminum alloy pistions, Chrome rings, and cross hone for chrome rings, clevitte main, rod and cam bearings.

This engine will give you the fun you are looking for. It will create 360 ft lbs of torque at 3,300 rpms and around 260 horse power at 4,300 rpms. This will make it very hard on the other guy to catch you. Unless he has 600 hp, he will not catch you at all." this is what Clifford Performance wrote in an email to me.

How does all this sound?

OKAY now I am going to be WAY over budget.

 

[addo]

I'm pretty reserved about their claims... After all, it's their business to make a profit, and my hobby to counsel against it (in favour of DIY)!

 

[Bort62]

ha, 260 HP out of a log headed six? Maybe on juice...

I wouldn't believe a thing those guys say personally.

 

[mysavioreigns]

I don't see that hitting 260 hp. Over 200 probably, but not 260. probably not worth it, as you can hit like 225ish for cheaper. Up to you though

 

[addo]

Some basic addition is called for...

Head $995
Offy intake manifold with linkage $289
• Weber 1 brl carbs $?
Camshaft $199
• Hardened pushrods $?
Lifters & Springs etc $208
Rocker assy $299
Timing set $99
Header $339

If you add up all the bits, that comes to $2428 without carbs, air cleaner covers or hardened pushrods. Certainly a solid price to pay.

From memory, one of the guys here landed a complete 250-2V motor, with several bells to choose from, for less than $1800 by the time it was at his door. A complete engine! Then you have people like OzHemi selling rebuildable crossflow units for $800, with a trans hanging off the rear.

I don't believe in something for nothing, but it's my personal opinion that the Clifford kit is overpriced by around $600-$800. Some bits are decent value, like the headers, timing set and rocker arms.

The other BIG issue with Clifford, is that they're famed for unreliability in delivery times. Some people receive everything almost overnight. Others have waited months for a part, despite having been charged for it when the order was placed. You just can't pick it, and in any order with them, should seek their written confirmation of stock and shipping timeframe.

Bear in mind too, that the claims of power gain are optimistic, and that their assertions rely on a skilfully rebuilt bottom end as described in the email.

Cheers, Adam.