sefus project advise: intake and more

sefus

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Im wondering about my 200 intake manifold. buying a new one or moding mine. want to know exactly where i should look and for what to look for or exactly what I should do to mine. Im looking for exact machining so i can tell my machinist. thanks a bunch for any help you guys can offer.

thats not all. also worried about carb clearance when switching to a 2bbl. my buddy has a holly for me but what can you guys tell me about height clearances with the adaptor plate? dont want my hood dinged up.

how about your rpm bands. my tiny tach reaches 32ish at WOT before shifting out. now this is on a stock everything so i was wondering what some of the moded cars are putting as a redline. this is for help with deciding what stall and cam to go with. i want the largest power band i can get out of the cam which from what ive seen is 1500-5500 from comp or crane.

Msd or petronix (sp) ignition? ive got a FULL msd set up in my mopar(distributer, 6al, coil, timing control) and just wondering why everyone on here picks the petron box.

well thanks for all the help.
 
Sefus,

To give advise on moding your current head or buying a different one and moding it, and to advise you on carb clearance issues we will need to know what year engine/head you have same for the body style and year if different.
As for the Msd VS petronix, I think the preferred ignition is the Duraspark II dissy with the MSD box and a flame thrower coil. The Petronix is used on the older engines that would require minor block modification to use the Duraspark II dissy.
 
Hi Sefus,

Regarding Pertronix vs. DSII, the age of the car is not the primary decision point. True, the early engine (64 and prior) has a distributor drive hole that is to small to accept the DSII. In these cases the only electronic ignition choice is the Pertronix. However, the Pertronix is a strong competitor to the DSII in all applications. The Pertronix II will fit into the '68 - '73 dual advance dizzy and deliver a 45000 volt sparK. Additionally, the PII has a built in dwell control module that insures max spark duration at all rpm's. Consequently, the MSD box ($150) is not required. The following is a copy of a response I posted to this same question posted 2/17/03;

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..."You have asked a question that could set off quite a debate, DuraSpark vs. Pertronix. I favor the Pertronix II because the technology is newer, the performance is excellent, and reliability is better (I'm it trouble now).

Reliability. While this comment is second hand, I will say that I have not met a Ford machanic who hasn't said that the DSII "box" is unreliable. As a matter of fact, I had one tell me they made it a policy ..."back then"... to keep several on hand because they had to switch them out so often. As for Pertronix, they DO NOT perform well without a 12 volt hook-up. So, there a are lot of Ford owners out there who did not have a good experience with the Pertronix system. Why? Based on a response to an MCA letter, which response was published by MCA on their sight, Pertronix determined that there installation instructions were not clear. As a result, many of the users reporting poor performance had powered the unit via direct hook up to the distriubtor, which is NOT a 12 volt switched source. This problem was solved with the Pertronix II.

Technology. The Pertronix and the DSII are more than 25 years old. In the case of the DSII, it has not been used since the advent of fuel injection (mid 80's). The original Pertronix unit is more than 25 years old. This not to say that they don't work, or that you will not have good luck with them.

Pertronix II with Flamethrower 2. About two years old. Upgrade 1 - converts coil to 12 volt by eliminating the ballast resistor in the coil circuit (this is a good thing). Upgrade 2 - the system has built in dwell control. This helps to insure maximum spark signal throughout the RPM range (one would have to add MSD to the DSII, at a cost of $150+, to get this function). Upgrade 3 - the system has a built in circuit protector to prevent burning up the module if the key is left on while the engine is not running, i.e., if you set and listen to your sound system.

Bottom line, for $115 you get a 12 volt system with a 45,000 volt spark and dwell control. As a side benefit, this unit can be installed in about 20 minutes (easier than replacing points).

As a final note, the fact that you want to upgrage your dual vac distributor begs another question / comment. What are your long range plans for the car? Specifically, do you plan to add a performance carburetor? This is an important consideration because (and I learned this lesson the hard way), NONE of the typical / popular performance carbs (Holley or Weber) support the dual vac dizzy, and the Pertronix unit that fits the dual vac probably will not fit the single vac dizzy required with these carbs. So, if you invision a carb change somewhere down the road you may want to upgrade the the dizzy when you do the Pertronix II. This way you'll be ready for any carb change you may want to make, including one that would require a mechanical only set up as the single vac unit is easily converted."...

The total cost of the PII with Flamethrower II is $115 at Mustangs Unlimited. A rebuilt dual advance dizzy is $65 same place.

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Regarding thr 2V carb question, the type of vehicle will make a diff. However, if you use a Cliford adapter, or do a direct mount conversion, you will should have adiquate hood clearance.

As for the shift point you mention, I assume you have a C4. The shift point of this trans is adjustable. 3200 is low. However, max HP occures at 4000 rpm for a stock 200 I6.

There's my 2 cents - Steve
 
hi


you can get one at summit or from offen houser . both the same Offen houser makes quality parts. i belive it will set you back about $225.00
 
it is a 68 stang I6-200 backed by the c-4. thats the engine with the brillant intake welded to head design. :roll: the engine i will put in is in a 65 with a 3-speed (dont know if i'll change trannys yet but it comes with the engine). both engines have been out of the cars before so im only hoping they are original from the same years.

the intake from sumitt you are refering to is the tripple singles right? im wondering if anyone has ever made a performance 2bbl intake manifold. pretty sure they havent. so want to know what to openup on mine. I will be going with some 1.6 rockers btw. anyone have some specs to share?

thanks for the info on the electrical junk. that makes everything pretty clear. Im all about dollar per hp but reliability and longlasting is more important to me. thanksfor the help and keep it comming.
 
don't know if it is in your thoughts at all or not, but have you thought about an australian head for your six? the aussies were smart and actually made a head with a seperate intake that could be upgraded, i think the HP jumps at least 25, but i dunno, i don't think anyone has actually done dyno tests yet...
just a thought

BTW if you go for it, check under the shop section of the home page to the site, should be able to find it after a few clicks

good luck
evan
 
thought about the aussi head but avalibility might not be that easy. anyone know costs or where to look?
 
try the shop section at the homepage, go to AzCoupe's page, look under there, he's got the heads, plus a whole slew of other things to spend money on
 
if you check under the packages and specials, look at package "A" comes with everything...
still need to get the head re-built/re-worked
 
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