All Small Six serpentine belt conversions?

[Invectivus]

Don, looks like a 69/70 AC compressor bracket, repurposed.

1969 1970 Ford Mustang Falcon 6 Cyl Engine AC Compressor Bracket C90A-2882-C OEM | eBay

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[Invectivus]

C90A-2882-C When the posting disappears.
also C8OZ(or C8OA)-2882-B

 

[DON]

I will log that!

 

[chad]

gone @$100

 

[Invectivus]

$7 less

NOS FORD C8OZ-2882-B 1968 FAIRLANE FALCON MUSTANG 6 CYL AC COMPRESSOR BRACKET | eBay

NOS Parts LTD of Texas. For NOS parts the best way is to search is to use the year code as the primary search. If searching a Ford part number, do not use the suffix. This has a significant impact on part numbers since current part inventories could not have price increases.

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[Invectivus]

Interesting, they are different. The 68 the diagonal mounting arm looks flush to the front of the casing, while the 69 it’s recessed. Might be the difference between the B and C designation, maybe one is for the 200, the other 250? I have a CD with Ford’s master parts and accessory catalogue 65-72, got for Christmas and never cracked. Probable about time.

 

[comet6]

The one I have supposedly came off a 73 maverick 250. It is all one piece cast. The later ones had a bolt on adjuster. Probably because the cast ones broke off, like mine is

 

[Invectivus]

That makes sense, appears the C model has the recessed water pump mount, pushing the housing forward which might be preferable with the Serp. Might have to buy both and compare.

 

[Invectivus]

Also C5DA-2882-B, a double bracket for the Alt and AC.

FORD 1965 Mustang AC Mounting Bracket C5DA-2882-B | eBay

(This is off a 1965 Mustang 6 Cyl. AC Mounting Bracket w/ Alternator Bracket. FORD ORIGINAL PART. ALL 50 states) INCLUDING Alaska & Hawaii, PLUS Puerto Rico; APO, FPO, DPO.

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[Invectivus]

So in this vein, if you need to grow the crank pulley and therefore shrink the water pump pulley, do issues arise? ATM I'm working on a slipover Taurus pulley and spacer that interfere with the ranger pully on my 66/67 200. I have a Jones 4" WP Pulley but I worry about spinning the pump too fast and cavitating? I'm also toying with taking .060 off both pulley rims to keep them from interfering , they're so close I doubt the belt would walk.

 

[DON]

So in this vein, if you need to grow the crank pulley and therefore shrink the water pump pulley, do issues arise? ATM I'm working on a slipover Taurus pulley and spacer that interfere with the ranger pully on my 66/67 200. I have a Jones 4" WP Pulley but I worry about spinning the pump too fast and cavitating? I'm also toying with taking .060 off both pulley rims to keep them from interfering , they're so close I doubt the belt would walk.

Are you using a stock pump? If you are, you could check out the Flow-kooler pump, and ask them about rpm range

 

[Invectivus]

Yeah, I can ask but their site lists the RPM range as 0-3300. I assume that’s at the pump and that undersizing the WP would jack up the RPMs. Nice looking impellers though.

I’m looking at doing a front bolt-on pulley rather than the Taurus slipover I’ve been playing with.

 

[Invectivus]

I think 'Hang On' AC systems are AC compressor brackets that have the PS pump hanging on the bottom.

2A881 Support - Air Conditioner compressor mounting Bracket
66 C6DZ 2A881-A Before 4/1/66
66/67 C6DZ 2A881-B After 4/1/66

2882 Bracket - Air Conditioner compressor mounting (also refer to group 10A313)
A
65-67 C7AZ 2882-A With Integral AC ; -E (With Hang On AC)
68-72 C8AZ 2882-A With Integral AC ; -E (With Hang On AC)
72 D2AZ 2882-C With Hang-On AC

B
65 C5OZ 2882-A
66 C5OZ 10A313-B
67 C7OZ 2882-A
67 C7OZ 10A313-B
68 C8OZ 2882-B
69-71 C9OZ 2882-A
72 C9OZ 2882-A

F
65 C4DZ 2882-A (With Generator) C5DZ 2882-B (With Alternator)
66 C6ZZ 2882-A
67 C6ZZ 2882-A / C7OZ 2882-A
68 C8OZ 2882-B
69-72 C9OZ 2882-A
72 D2DZ 2882-A 250

P
70 C8OZ 2882-B
71 C9OZ 2882-A
72 C8OZ 2882-B / D2DZ 2882-A 170/200
72 C9OZ 2882-A / D2DZ 2882-A 250

X
65 C5DZ 2882-B
66 C5OZ 2882-B
67 C7OZ 2882-A / C5OZ 10A313-B
68-70 C8OZ 2882-B

2883 Bracket - Air Conditioner compressor Adjusting
65 C0DE 2883-A
66/67 C6OZ 2883-A

Some other Brackets that might be useful
10A313 240 Alternator Mounting (10039 Generator) (w/ 10145 adjuster)
10156 Alternator (and Generator) Mounting Front
10151 Alternator (and Generator) to Cylinder block mounting
3A732 P/S pump Adjusting
3562 P/S Pump Support
3C511 (front and rear) /3A732; 3A732 Six PS page P-6946 3 piece

6256 4cyl gear
9447 carb gasket
thermactor 9B461 9B451 9B450(240) 9B452(240) 9A486
accellerator linkage P-6896

100 alt
175 AC
60 engine
P/S 36.4

falcon shock mount 5798, 5799
mav shock mount 5796 (staggered shocks?)

 

[DON]

Can you clarify, are these all a/c and alternator brackets? I see the years but what engine? What are the A,B,F category’s?
I really want to do a serpentine set up on my 200. Collecting info

 

[Invectivus]

Sorry, it was a long process typing this out, and I posted it as-is, rather than have a chrome crash lose it. I'll try to provide further clarity.

I don't yet know what the A/B/F/P/X codes denote. I felt verbosity was preferrable considering I'm largely ignorant of Ford parts and accessory catalogues. I didn't want to miss anything. If it ended up being important, I didn't want to discard it.

Yes, the 2A881 and 2882 (Group Number) parts are all Air Conditioner parts. 2A881 is "Support - Air Conditioner Compressor Mounting Bracket", and 2882 is Bracket - Air Conditioner Compressor Mounting. They are all listed as "With A/C", "With Integral A/C", and "With Hang-On A/C".

Some part numbers spanned years, some had rapid revisions. All the full part numbers I listed were marked 6 Cyl, 6 Cyl (170,200), or 6 Cyl (250). Almost always the part was listed as just 6 Cyl, rarely was there a (170,200) or (250) designation, and I never saw a (240) designation, though that is covered in the book. If I can, I'll build an image with the part drawings and their designated usage, but that'll take some time.

A small primer on part numbers, take C8OZ 2882-B. First digit is decade (C=60's), second is year (so 68), third is model (O is Fairlane, Torino 1969-76), fourth is Design Engineering office (Z= Ford Service Parts). The 2882 is the Group number or Basic Part Number, and the -B is a revision number, so second revision of that part.

 

[Invectivus]

FYI, I bought a A/C bracket, and it's a massive, heavy thing. I'm drawing up pulleys now, and I'm going to draw up a better bracket. I believe V belts needed a lot more tension, and so needed more massive support. Also the brackets we're looking at needed a large area for a heavy accessory, if we're just using it for an Alternator case it's overkill. If I use mine in the short run, I'm considering either lightening cuts, or shearing the rear 2/3rds of the bracket off. It just seems silly.

I focused on the A/C bracket because Comet6 used it and it looks boss, and it looks like there's room to mount a tensioner (maybe, he ran into issues). Looking at the parts and accessories guide, there's a mess of brackets for belt drive parts, in combos on Alt/PS/AC. Those will take some parsing.

 

[bmbm40]

FYI, I bought a P/S bracket, and it's a massive, heavy thing. I'm drawing up pulleys now, and I'm going to draw up a better bracket. I believe V belts needed a lot more tension, and so needed more massive support. Also the brackets we're looking at needed a large area for a heavy accessory, if we're just using it for an Alternator case it's overkill. If I use mine in the short run, I'm considering either lightening cuts, or shearing the rear 2/3rds of the bracket off. It just seems silly.

I bought a PS bracket for a 250 like 15 years ago and it was big and heavy. Seem to recall it was two pieces I wonder if you might have the same item. I found another one later for a 250 and it was a simple one piece bracket not too large similar to a 200 PS bracket. If I find the other heavy bracket I will post a pic.

 

[Invectivus]

I bought the one above in post#41, I haven't weighed it yet but it's a bit.

This is a minimalist bracket for PS:

Borgeson 802410 Ford 200/250 I-6 Saginaw P/S Pump Bracket | eBay

Borgeson 802410. Mounting Type: Bolt On Saginaw P Series. Borgeson manufactures complete Saginaw pump brackets for Ford motors. Pump brackets include the correct bracket, and hardware for your application.

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[bmbm40]

I bought the one above in post#41, I haven't weighed it yet but it's a bit.

This is a minimalist bracket for PS:

Borgeson 802410 Ford 200/250 I-6 Saginaw P/S Pump Bracket | eBay

Borgeson 802410. Mounting Type: Bolt On Saginaw P Series. Borgeson manufactures complete Saginaw pump brackets for Ford motors. Pump brackets include the correct bracket, and hardware for your application.

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I like the Borgeson bracket as I am interested in the Borgeson power steering pump to replace the old original style Thompson pump/bracket I have now on my Bronco.
I could be misremembering but the alt and ps brackets may not be interchangeable from 200 to 250.

 

[Invectivus]

EDIT I mis-read, but it stands that the manual leaves some delineation of models vague in the parts .

I dug thought until I found proof one way or the other and you're right in the first I found for P/S.

On P-6946 (PDF Pg 3864) "P/S pump install-6Cyl engine 69/70 Fairlane/Torino, 69/70 Falcon/Mustang, 70/72 Maverick - 6Cyl 250".
There is a three piece P/S bracket for the 200, and a one piece for the 250. The adjuster part of the 200 has the same Group Number as the single part of the 250. I'll try to attach media, it's been a while.

On P-8680 (PDF Pg 3861) "P/S pump install-6Cyl engine 70/72 Ford 240, 71/72 Mustang, 72 Torino - 6Cyl 250".
This only shows a 240 block with it's mid-mount Diz/Oil filter, so it's straight up wrong.

I've been printing the exploded diagrams to PDF for visual comparison, but the drawings just use the group number, not the full part number.

It's possible ford used the same relative bolt location between small and big six timing covers? I don't have one to compare. There are so many different brackets, and the book it sometimes just plain wrong, it's hard to be authoritative without manually trying every one.