Triple Side-Drafts

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Well, on the old airhead BMW boxer bikes, the Del'Ortos are supposed to be the bomb. One carb to rule them all. One carb to find them. One carb to bring them all together, and in the winner's circle bind them....

It was the carb of choice on the R90S model. That's bikes, and this is cars. But thats a refernce point for reputation.

Both sets look delicious. :twisted:

--mikey
 
looking nice AL , wil this be your setup for the hack,t head ?
i got the solex carbs for my setup 40 M/M . from a toyota celica , a friend of my is collecting these cars and i got lots of carbs and other stuf from it .but first to find my efi intake from the cross flow , the old type , did thought i did seen someone here in the forum with them , but cant remember who ? ! got 2 engine,s 1 for efi and 1 for 3 dubble solex 40 M/M !
 
the dellorto's are probably the ones you should go for, but the solex will work real fine as well.don't forget that chrysler in the '70's (in oz)had 3 weber 45's fitted to the 265 hemi 6 and made 248,270,302hp in factory trim.they used 38mm barrles so the 40mm will be big enough.happy hunting!!
 
I'd agree with Steve. The Solexes would likely be harder to get parts for - I don't believe they'd be totally interchangeable with the Webers.

There's physical evidence on some engines of either Webers or DellOrtos working better for that motor. It's just the nature of the differing induction pulses and the infernal profiles of each brand being slightly different. I've also been told that this is about impossible to predict - more a "suck it and see" result!

Either one will be hard pressed to clear your bracing. Look at what HRBill had to do.

Adam.
 
Me have clearance issues, I don't think so :) :twisted: Have you seen the picture under my name :P

Personally, I think a nice Holley 570 Street Avenger 4bbl would suit the bill just perfectly. Easy to tune and reliable.

For the triples, I'd gut them, braze in injector bungs and use them as t-bodys for an MPI setup.

Hey Harrie! Got your email :D

Al
 
See! Reverse the pic and you'll spot the tight areas in your application. :P After all, the head is about 3/4" wider...

 
The export brace that I have currently mounts on top of the firewall and on top of the shock tower, so that gives me a few more inches of clearance than he had in his car. That doesn't bother me though, I have a full R&D machine shop and can cut, hack, weld, braze, melt, build up, fabricate and distort as needed to fit the bill. None of us play by the rules when deal with these things anyway :)

Maybe I'll do the MPI conversion to them and have a 90 degree bend with all 6 air horns coming through the hood. Wouldn't that be a crazy idea :twisted:

Al
 
Don't want turbo, honestly. If I want to go forced induction, it will be supercharged. However, I'll never do that to an inline. If I'm getting greedy for more power, I'll put a V8 in without a second thought. Then, if I want, I can open up any catalog and purchase a proven, tested, engineered supercharger and have real power.

If I had a good V8 in front of me right now, it would go in. I'm sick of playing games and just want a car I can drive again and have fun with.

Al
 
Which do you think would work better on a hot 250,

These:(Solex 40) or These (DHLA 40 Dellorto)

If it were me, neither! I'd go for 45 DHLA or DCOE's.

In theory, though, any independant runner intake, even with a 40 mm carb, may get you around 190 hp tops. I think there may be a severe loss in usable rev range with these carbs because you can't get near to the ideal venturi size Weber recomemds. Info I have from David Vizard says a 40 mm carb is no better than about 75 hp each, but that only happens when venturi size is below 34 mm on a one carb per four cylinder basis.


Because I respect your judgement, I'd like to tell you that an engine reving to 6000 rpm needs about 250/23 or 11 square inches of venturi area. That means a minimum of 1.83 sq" per cylinder, or 1.53" or 39 mm venturis minimum. That rules out 40 mm carbs unless you a making a very mild 250 engine. The biggest venturi size to go to with these 40 mm carbs is 34 mm, and over that it is very poor functioning carb, with insuficient signal and poor air flow. About 175 cfm per barrel. With 45's and 34 chokes, it is over 180 cfm per barrel. This means a maximum rev range of about 4500 rpm with these 40 mm carbs.

The proportionality is shown by the 24 and 26 Oz. Datsun's. A set of 3 DCOE 40's are set up with 29 mm venturis on the basic kits Weber offered. This worked out to a factor of between 23.7 and 26.35 cubes per square inch for the little 146 and 162 cube OHC six. In Australia, 265 Hemi Six Pack Valiants had 38 or 40 mm venturis for the E37/38/48 to E49 vehicles, with various gross hp ratings from 248 , 280 and 306 hp from 4800 to about 5400 rpm. The lower power engines had mild 256 degree camshafts, and the other engines had screamer 280 and 302 degree cams (25.1 to 22.7 cubes of engine per square inch of carb venturi).

Weber also published a guide on venturi area for engines between 100 to 700 cc per cylinder, and from 6000 to 10000 (!) rpm. The higher the revs, the lower the engine cubes per square area of carb venturi. For any carb to function well, it must have between 42 and 18% signal, down to 10% only if you are prepared to sacrifice low end tractability.


That is, the throttle and venturi can be, say

* a DHLA 40 with a 28 venturi, or a DHLA 40 with a 34 mm venturi, 36 at a pinch. (Okay with a 200 cube engine, a limit to a 250, in my opinion)

* A DHLA 45 with a 34 or 36 mm venturi out flows and outperforms a 40 mm carb with a 34 or 36 venturi. A 45 DHLA can take a 40 mm venturi.( Same comments)

* A DHLA 48 could live with a 34 choke, or up to a 41 comfortably.
 
Al...I hear your frustation. I'm about of the same thought. By the time I want to invest the money in a Turbo...might want to go V-8. But wife says KaStang will always have a 6 in it. So it will, but that leaves room for another mustang...heheheh

Slade
 
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