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can get from a 6 inline?
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How big is your bank account?
1500 hp is in reach if you go buy a 4.0 DOHC Falcon turbo, make up a steel crank, steel or titanium rods, get some nitrous, and a couple of big T71 turbos. Aussie sixes are on the cutting edge at about 244 hp before even a spanner is laid on them. With demon mods, the latent strength of what is basically a 250 US block on streriods takes over.
Now, back to your domestic consumer durable Ford Six...
If you re-read the information in the Tech section (by clicking on the FordSix.com icon), you'll get much better advice than what follows.
On our sixes, the ceiling limit is this:-
Question One:cubes you start with are they 144, 170,188, 200,221, 240, 250, or 300?
Phase 1.do you want the best performance for the least cost...if you do, you'll have to get the Ford Falcon Six book, and follow the Schendahls advice to the letter. The other option is 2V Aussie or ME 188 or SP 221 heads from Argentina. At some stage soon, an alloy Cross-flow head swap will be available. For the Big Six, there are some awesome items getting custom made, but the choices for carbs and manifolds are better than the Little Six.
Phase 2.do you want it to be streetable... if you do, don't go for cams which rev to over 5500 rpm
Phase 3.do you want nitous... if not, forgo 1.5 times the best hp from a street six
Phase 4.do you want a turbo or super charger...if not forgo 2 times the power from not having one.
Phase 5.do you want nitous and a turbo... if not, forgo 3.0 times the best hp from a non turbo street six.
Lets sum it up this way
200 cube to Phase 1, about 200 hp net at the flywheel max
200 cube to Phase 2, about 200 hp net at the flywheel max
200 cube to Phase 3, about 300 hp net at the flywheel max
200 cube to Phase 4, about 400 hp net at the flywheel max
200 cube to Phase 5, about 600 hp net at the flywheel max.
The last two Phases are La-La Land for most of us. Bank on 200 hp tops, and be happy with a little less.
If you have a 144, multiply the hp at each phase by 200/144.
If you have a 300, multiply the hp at each pahse by 200/300.
Dollar for dollar, nitrous, a 2-bbl carb, and headers is the cheapest option. A very close second is turbo chargeing.Huge boost, all else stays stock.
One of the best options is to trade off the total quest for power, and just rebuild the engine to make it last practically forever. That gets my vote. One day, you'll get old, and people will want to go for cruises in a hot Ford Six which was rebuilt like a Swiss watch in 2004...still running in 2044!
Regards,
dEAn0
Now, back to your domestic consumer durable Ford Six...
If you re-read the information in the Tech section (by clicking on the FordSix.com icon), you'll get much better advice than what follows.
On our sixes, the ceiling limit is this:-
Question One:cubes you start with are they 144, 170,188, 200,221, 240, 250, or 300?
Phase 1.do you want the best performance for the least cost...if you do, you'll have to get the Ford Falcon Six book, and follow the Schendahls advice to the letter. The other option is 2V Aussie or ME 188 or SP 221 heads from Argentina. At some stage soon, an alloy Cross-flow head swap will be available. For the Big Six, there are some awesome items getting custom made, but the choices for carbs and manifolds are better than the Little Six.
Phase 2.do you want it to be streetable... if you do, don't go for cams which rev to over 5500 rpm
Phase 3.do you want nitous... if not, forgo 1.5 times the best hp from a street six
Phase 4.do you want a turbo or super charger...if not forgo 2 times the power from not having one.
Phase 5.do you want nitous and a turbo... if not, forgo 3.0 times the best hp from a non turbo street six.
Lets sum it up this way
200 cube to Phase 1, about 200 hp net at the flywheel max
200 cube to Phase 2, about 200 hp net at the flywheel max
200 cube to Phase 3, about 300 hp net at the flywheel max
200 cube to Phase 4, about 400 hp net at the flywheel max
200 cube to Phase 5, about 600 hp net at the flywheel max.
The last two Phases are La-La Land for most of us. Bank on 200 hp tops, and be happy with a little less.
If you have a 144, multiply the hp at each phase by 200/144.
If you have a 300, multiply the hp at each pahse by 200/300.
Dollar for dollar, nitrous, a 2-bbl carb, and headers is the cheapest option. A very close second is turbo chargeing.Huge boost, all else stays stock.
One of the best options is to trade off the total quest for power, and just rebuild the engine to make it last practically forever. That gets my vote. One day, you'll get old, and people will want to go for cruises in a hot Ford Six which was rebuilt like a Swiss watch in 2004...still running in 2044!
Regards,
dEAn0
Do you know if you have a 200 or a 250? Either way with a carb, headers, dual exhaust and electronic ignition it is probably about 125hp and 200+ ft-lbs of torque. That's without having to do anything to the engine.
Torque really matters, but since you live in Spain and want to be able to go fast on the highway, you probably want some horsepower, too. To get that you will need to either to some seroius headwork or get an australian or argentine head and put in a more aggressive camshaft at the same time.
Doing this with a conservative approach will probably get you like 150 to 175 hp, realistically, though 200 is possible. You should save some of your money for a five speed transmission, though. That will make as much difference as a good amount of horsepower. Harry (the66mustang) will make a kit to install a ford sierra transmission. Lots of those in Spain. Of course, probably the cheapest and esiest thing to do would be to take the Sierra tranmission and Sierra Cosworth turbo engine. Then you would have some real power.
Torque really matters, but since you live in Spain and want to be able to go fast on the highway, you probably want some horsepower, too. To get that you will need to either to some seroius headwork or get an australian or argentine head and put in a more aggressive camshaft at the same time.
Doing this with a conservative approach will probably get you like 150 to 175 hp, realistically, though 200 is possible. You should save some of your money for a five speed transmission, though. That will make as much difference as a good amount of horsepower. Harry (the66mustang) will make a kit to install a ford sierra transmission. Lots of those in Spain. Of course, probably the cheapest and esiest thing to do would be to take the Sierra tranmission and Sierra Cosworth turbo engine. Then you would have some real power.
I'm shooting for 200-250RWHP all said and done. Like xman (whatever his name is this week) said, it's a matter of money. For me, it looks to be cheaper to add a turbo then adding higher compression.
All said and done, I'm sure I'll have over $4000 in the head alone by adding the following:
1) Aussie 250/2V w/ lots of work ($1200)
2) Cam ($200)
To come:
1) MP Fuel Injection: ($1000-3000 depending on system and how much work I have to farm out)
2) Turbo ($500-1500).
Most all of my money is directly attached to the head, so it can transfer to any engine that I don't mind blowing up until I get me a good solid block built ($1500-3000).
Damn that's depressing...should have just gone V-8...
Slade
All said and done, I'm sure I'll have over $4000 in the head alone by adding the following:
1) Aussie 250/2V w/ lots of work ($1200)
2) Cam ($200)
To come:
1) MP Fuel Injection: ($1000-3000 depending on system and how much work I have to farm out)
2) Turbo ($500-1500).
Most all of my money is directly attached to the head, so it can transfer to any engine that I don't mind blowing up until I get me a good solid block built ($1500-3000).
Damn that's depressing...should have just gone V-8...
Slade
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Wow. Then that would be like any other punk out there. I may not get the same 1/4 mile as a 5.0, but I hope I have a lot more style and can get a few more miles on a tank of ga$.
Any idiot can build an 8 (i did once or twice), especially a Ch#@y. People who do these sixes have more finess and certainly a flare for self abuse
Hey CobraSix, When am I going to see your car?
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Dreamflow, since you live in Spain (where? I get to Sevilla a lot), I would opt for a Sierra 5-speed trans and a blow-through turbo (both easy to get in Europe) with a low-ratio rear end (2.92 if you still have the original 8" rear). This strikes me as the best all-around combo for spirited city driving as well as high speed long distance cruising on the Autovia.
Guys, Spain has speed limits virtually identical to North America. AFAIK, there aren't any "unlimited speed" roads. And folks there pay about as much attention to the speed limit as they do here.
Guys, Spain has speed limits virtually identical to North America. AFAIK, there aren't any "unlimited speed" roads. And folks there pay about as much attention to the speed limit as they do here.
Well...don't worry, I love my six, but if power was the end all be all...the V8 would have been better...
Jim, whenever you want. I'm actually pretty open this week. Is Mike done with the offy for you? Do you ever go to the show and shine by the milk bottle in raynham on fridays or the one SUnday nights in Seekonk?
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Jim, whenever you want. I'm actually pretty open this week. Is Mike done with the offy for you? Do you ever go to the show and shine by the milk bottle in raynham on fridays or the one SUnday nights in Seekonk?
Slade
Actually Stan, you can do some pretty high speed cruising in Spain if you are willing to pay for the autopista. Granted, the posted speed limit is only 120km/h, which is like 85mph (pretty fast). However, people fly over there. Last summer i drove from Valencia to Barcelona in a borrowed Lexus SC400. Averaged over 100mph the whole way and I was regularly being passed. I expected that from the big mercedes and BMW, but I was even being passed by turbo diesel volkswagens and Fiats and even a panel van one time! It would have been humiliating, except that I've seen some really nasty accidents there. I've lost a couple of friends that way and some other friends are now missing limbs and teeth - both in one case. I'm trying to avoid joining that club.
It should be noted that between tolls and gas it cost me about $100 to make that drive. Europe is not friendly to v-8s.
It should be noted that between tolls and gas it cost me about $100 to make that drive. Europe is not friendly to v-8s.
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Yes, I am familiar with how Spaniards drive. That's why I wrote, "folks there pay about as much attention to the speed limit as they do here." The implication being that they don't pay much attention to the speed limit at all, just as drivers (including me) don't here. And BTW, 120 kph is 74.52 mph, which is virtually identical to much of the USA.
I love Spain, but her roads, even the autovia (it's autopista in Italy) suck for high speed driving. They simply aren't engineered for those speeds, and the results are evident in the annual carnage on Spain's roads. Your friends and my dead co-worker are testament to that.
'Nuf said! For Dreamflow's car, I suggest tall gears, a 5-sp and a turbo. Goes like stink and garners him major cool points in a continent full of 3-year old Euro-boxes. I have a friend who was cruising his '69 split window Corvette down the highway in Nederlands when two cops did a sudden u-turn and pulled him over. They just wanted to see the car! After letting them drool over it and answering about 100 questions, they wanted to see how fast it would go... :roll:
Gearheads are the same everywhere!
I love Spain, but her roads, even the autovia (it's autopista in Italy) suck for high speed driving. They simply aren't engineered for those speeds, and the results are evident in the annual carnage on Spain's roads. Your friends and my dead co-worker are testament to that.
'Nuf said! For Dreamflow's car, I suggest tall gears, a 5-sp and a turbo. Goes like stink and garners him major cool points in a continent full of 3-year old Euro-boxes. I have a friend who was cruising his '69 split window Corvette down the highway in Nederlands when two cops did a sudden u-turn and pulled him over. They just wanted to see the car! After letting them drool over it and answering about 100 questions, they wanted to see how fast it would go...
:roll: Gearheads are the same everywhere!
Now that sounds cool. As fast as you can go with a police car clearing the way! The 5sp, simple turbo (TBI?) sounds a good recipe, too.Similar threads
