Will runnin boost with 500cfm hurt anything?

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OK, I know alot of people dont like the 500cfm Holley, but what I want to know is WILL IT HURT to boost it until I can hunt down a 350 down the road? Ive heard that it might mess some stuff up because of the venturis bein to big, but I wanna know what yall think. I would like to run this carb for now and then change over later, but if I run the risk of screwin somethin up Ill try and ditch it.

Anyone want a 500cfm carb or have a 350 for sale, lol

Matt
 
Hell no! It'll work fine!
Just make sure you have a solid float and add a few jet sizes initially until you figure out the tune. Start about a #72 and work your way down.
Will
 
sweeet. I might have a guy that wants to buy the carb off me, but I will see. I have the float you recomended me a while back and will put it in soon if he doesnt buy. I appreciate the help as usual, OH, what would you do Will,

Go ahead and run the 500 and see what happens

or

Sell the 500 for $150 and buy a 350?

Let me know!
Matt
 
Matt,
That is what I will be running, the 500 with 70 (call size)jets to start. Maybe still a little on the rich side for a 200 w/ those jets, but we will see. Running a 8.5PV, also. Pull up some of those old posts about holley jet sizing that Xecute so happened to grace us with, and do a little math. Good luck.

Kirk ' 73 bronco
ps. don't forget that boost doesn't abide by the rules of carburation, one can support more HP with less jet size to a certain point.
 
Matt,
Personally I'd stick with the 500. The only reason we've got the 350 was I paid $20 for it! Had it been a 500 for $20 then that's what we would've used.
If you try the 500 and don't like it, we'll trade you for Kelly's carb.

Kirk has some good advice. The main reason for "larger than needed" jets is just to be safe on the initial tune up. It is MUCH better to be rich on the tune, than lean. If you're lean and you nail the throttle, you run the risk of poking holes in stuff!
Later,
Will
 
Will, Kirk, I appreciate yalls advice. Ill run the 500 and see what happens. Ill run her rich for the start up and initial tune as well. They have a wideband at the shop so Ill use that to get things fine tuned from there and eventually hit a dyno and dial her in perfect. Being a daily driver, I want this thing to run FAST...but reliably at the same time and not be too much of a dog, lol. Ill let you know how the 500 does Will and if it doesnt work out with the daily driving and what have you, Ill swap with you...Ill even pay both shipping cost, lol. Thanks again guys, Ill post more as it happens and Ill try to get some videos up when she runs.

Will, I wanna see more vids of Kelly's Falcon!!!!!!
Matt
 
Matt,
Unfortunately in that video it only ran a 13.19. I'm actually the one driving it. I was testing it to make sure the new rearend didn't make any funny noises.
So my added weight and only 10lbs. of boost, plus about a 4500ft. density altitude slowed us way down.
Kelly did do a 12.9 later that night. But we were still having boost issues with a stripped carb hat stud. It wouldn't hold down tight enough to keep in the pressure!
Later,
Will
 
I never like to tell people that something will never work. You may be the first to make it work.

I have run a 13.87 (in the 1/4) blowing through a 1 bbl, and I had to lift off the throttle twice in that run! I am going to see if I can get a 12.99 out of my 1 bbl. That is pretty fast.


Having said that....

Why do you want to go so large? I am not a fan of the 500 from what I have read of people's experiences on here. Wsa111 ran a 350 after the 500 and said the car was much more drivable. It makes perfect sense...

People get into trouble a lot with a carb that is too large. I think you may be one of them if you try it. But you won't know for sure until you do.

I would never be so bold as to say "Hell no! It'll work fine!" as I don't think Will has yet tried a 500 on his car. I would much rather err on the side of caution if I had no experiences as such.
 
Look on page four of my htread "another turbo 200 nears completion"

I had this to say to Drag 200 stang:


"you don't want to run a carb too large. I think a blowthrough works way better with a carb too small than too large (and speaking from experience here, I have more potential yet to tap from my 1 bbl)

I have read a lot of scary stories on turbomustangs about guys trying to blow through a carb that is too large. The fuel/air mixture ratio just goes everywhere. Smaller is better in this case."



and :



"The only guys running 750 carbs on 350ish cube motors are running over 1000 HP., and those carbs are super well prepped by specialty shops for about $800 (not including price of carb).

I figure if a 350 chevy with a stock re-jetted 650 DP Holley can run 8's in the quarter, then my 200 won't ever need anything larger than about 250-300-350 cfm. I am going to try a 1.08 motorcraft 2 bbl and probably also a 1.21 motorcraft 2 bbl. I already have both. According to info from here, a 1.21 is about the same as a Holley 350.

3) The carb set-up running OK on a N/A car, if a little too large, will get super crazy over 8-10 psi.

It has something to do with the pressure drop through the venturis.....or lack of it.

I think it is like this: If the carb is too large, boost builds up in the intake, and above the carb, and even though pressure is high, flow through the venturis is (relatively) low. High pressure but low flow and the metering goes away at the venturi.

One guy (actually running a chevy, lots of them on turbomustangs) on the turbo mustangs board was trying to get (I.I.R.C....) a Holley 850 HP series carb that ran great on his N/A 350 to run under boost. He didn't have the $$$$$ to buy a new carb, so he was trying to use the one he already had.

He kept going WAAAY lean under boost, even with the largest jets in it that Holley makes (I think 120's).

The way he fixed it was to have it sent off to....I think CSU? carb shop, and they installed custom downleg annular venturis that were VERY thick, and brought the CFM's down to around 700. That fixed the problem.

I think it also helps to have more consistent metering when the pressure drop through the venturi is very high.....it makes a lot of suction between the venturi and the float bowl. That extra suction helps cover up any flow inadequacies in the metering circuit.

The venturi in my 1 bbl is I think 1-1/8" at the smallest point. I think I can honestly run a 12.99......through a single 1-1/8" venturi!! "




Like I said, you may be the first. Just use lots of cuation while tuning it.
 
Yeah, Im in the position where the 500 is what I have and have had for a couple years so Ill stick with it and if all else fails, swap with Will and see what kind of magic he can turn with it.

ALOT of people told me not to get the World Class T5 tranny when I was lookin to do the swap, mainly because no-one was running one, BUT it worked better than I thought and now alot of people are swapping to the V8 tranny instead of the weaker 4 banger version. Im hoping the same is true in this case, altho you are right about the smaller carb is good under boost deal.

All I can say is We shall see...and we'll be very careful with the initial tuning

Matt
 
Hope you dont mind me throwing in a question here.
Is there any factory applications where a Holley 350cfm or 500 cfm was used? If one were to say go looking in wrecking yards??
I doubt it, but i did pick up a Holley 2 brl off a 289 Ford falcon Way back in the day.. So I could get really lucky..

Nathan
 
Irrational Harvester used 2-hole Holleys on some of their motors. Not sure of the CFM rating, though.
 
Irrational?? I like the humor, take it you have a beef with International?
Cool thing is I know a yard that Is full of old Irrationals

Nathan
 
I like them - the Travelall 2×4s, especially. The "binder" thing isn't to my taste, but the trucks are.
 
Man then you would be in heaven.
this place is nothing but Interantionals. Its not even a junkyard.
Its just a big yard behind my buddy's shop full of old internationals.
Even school buses.

Nathan

ok back to carbs. anything else that might have a Holley 2 barrel?
 
OK, some IH numbers:

The 152 cube 4-potter (as found in many Scoots), used a Holley 1904 single barrel carby.

The 345 used a Holley 2300G (list 1707, with Governor), and 2300 (No Governor). Engine capacity on the IH eights is indicated by a casting or stamp near the front outer of the passenger side head adjacent to the valve cover gasket flange.

Some of the "Diamond" series (Blue Diamond, Black Diamond, Neil Diamond etc) used a Holley 2110 series carb, which is similar to the Stromberg dual barrel downdraughts with a single air horn at the top, dividing into the two passages. Similar carbs from Bendix and Bendix/Stromberg came and went over the years also.

Regards, Adam.
 
"Neil Diamond"? Are you " Coming to America? Today? :roll:

Not sure whats scarier that we're talking about Niel Diamond or the fact I know and actually don't mind his music.

Thank You For the info.. I'll research those carb models and see if they might work...

Nathan
 
matt you almost sound liek your trying to ditch the 500cfm holley. just dont forget if you do my car will be elevnty billion times faster than yours...
 
I have a couple of non-governed holley 2 bbl carbs off of "industrial" or "motorcraft replacement" applications. The venturis are pretty small, about same size as a 1.08 Motorcraft. I'll be using the motorcraft when I upgrade, it is an excellent design. Forget holley.

As for that other stuff..........


Nathan289":3bqt8dzx said:
Not sure whats scarier that we're talking about Neil Diamond or the fact I know and actually don't mind his music.

Neil Diamond rules. 'nuff said.

hasa68mustang":3bqt8dzx said:
just dont forget if you do my car will be elevnty billion times faster than yours...

Ha!! You are in no position to be calling him out!! :wink:
 
Linc,
Where could I find a motorcraft carb in the bigger venturi size.
I beleive you said somewhere that there was a 1.21 venturi size motorcraft carb.
If I could find one of those in a wrecking yard cheap and I can easliy modify one of those. like increasing jets like the Holley, then maybe I'll expierement with that.

I was going with Holley because, Will had good luck with his.
even though you are having good luck with the one barrel I'm not keen one drilling out jets and powervalves to get thing to flow more fuel.
I rather run a carb that allows me to change things.

Nathan
 
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