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X-flow distrubitor

Post #1 by papawfalcon » Tue Aug 16, 2016 2:54 pm

I have a 1975 x-flow in my '62 Ranchero. On the original wiring it has a pink resistor wire for the ignition to the coil. I have no orignal wiring and trying to wire the ignition. I do not know if I need the pink resistor wire my undersanding is this is for point distrubitor.Thanks for help,Ken.
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Re: X-flow distrubitor

Post #2 by bubba22349 » Thu Aug 18, 2016 11:36 am

Do you have a picture of the cross flow distributor? In 1975 most Ford engines were using a DuraSpark II ignistion system. Good luck :nod:
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Re: X-flow distrubitor

Post #3 by rocklord » Thu Aug 18, 2016 1:26 pm

bubba22349 wrote:Do you have a picture of the cross flow distributor? In 1975 most Ford engines were using a DuraSpark II ignistion system. Good luck :nod:


Not in Australia. Ford used Bosch distributors in some engines.
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Re: X-flow distrubitor

Post #4 by xctasy » Mon Aug 29, 2016 6:34 am

Ken, I went over your old posts. Please look at the photo's below and see if yours is the same. The wiring diagram is most likely the right one.


I was away from Ford six for the two years (2009 to 2011) you started work on your X flow Ranchero, so I can see why it has been a battle.

Every X-flow engine has a specfic grocery list, the engines are very specific for model years between 1984, 185 and 1986, so its very important that I get the right block and head casting info. Often, the heads, igntions, carbs and blocks don't match after they've been on sold. Aussie Falcons are major work hourses, and routine maintenance and long layups means head gasket or head replacement due to corrosion.


I searched your 371 posts, and found this info.


Ah its one of XFlow Fairlanes old engine. Cool!

There were no X-flows in 1975. From memory, its carb is 1984.

Yours is a 1985 x-flow. July 1985 XF!

The block reads JG23FA 20290C


From an 85 XF Falcon GL. I expect its got a C1 head.

Block should have at leat 84DA6015AA cast on it to be an 1985 engine. With a neoprene main crank seal.


There are about 9 potential head castings and the chambers were practically machined to suit application; later unleaded ones have provision for a knock sensor, larger valves, and high swirl chambers.

If there's no casting no external casting stamps or raised lettering between 1 and 2 ports, its the first type, the XD Oct 1980 to March 1982

Inside, with the rocker cover off, there are always some kind of generic casting of the form HFx on the flat area above no.5 cylinder.
HF 1 to 5 leaded fuel
HF 6 and 7 are unleaded

On the intake side of the head between 1 and 2 ports there's a casting number C1, C2,C2A, E1, E2, or D

C1A = carbied leaded head.
C2 = carbied unleaded
C2A = carbied unleaded.
E1 = injected leaded.
E2 = injected unleaded.
D= carbied unleaded 1990-1992.
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Ignition like this?

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Fuel pump with bleedback line, and ADM 34 2-bbl carb has specific sensors. Hall effect sensor, MAP sensor, TFI module, coil, and EST are specific to unleaded gasoline 85 models. Long nose spark plugs. Anything not original will cause working problems.


Standard diagram for 2-bbl ADM 34 Weber equiped 4.1 for 1985 is this. The three wires are color coded with Pk/LtBlu on - and both Br/Pk and R/LtGrn on the +.

The coils have to be the right kind for the application.

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There were three types of X-flow distibutor.



Type 1. Points. From June 1976 to Otober 1980, Bosch series 61 distributor, same as the Aussie 1971-1975 200 and 250 Log head and 250 2v).

Type 2. Electronic. From Otober 1980 to the advent of the 1985 XF Falcon, it was Electronic Aussie Bosch Duraspark. Vacuum advance ( 2 wires, green is -, red is + ), it has a 4 pin Electronic module under the plastic case on the distributor. All Tpe 1 and Type 2's were for leaded 97 octane gasoline cars.

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Its a common GM Holden 2.85/3.3 L6 or 4.2/5.0 V8, Chrysler 2.6 liter Silent Shaft, Aussie Nissan/Toyota item. Check for codes like BIM024, 9222067021, 922067016, 9222067017, 9222067019


Type 3. For November 1984, the 1985 model year XF Falcon had Electronic Spark Timing and a TFI distributor with either an EST or EECIV control box. The TFI has plug with 3 pins, which requires a computer or EST to use. It uses a MAP sensor and the common EECIV test plug. You can run the codes off it like on any 1980 to 1995 US EECIV if the parts are with it.

Alternatively, you can buy a MSD 6AL-2 programmable 6530 ignition system if its the XF TFI type.


Normal US style TFI


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If the cap has spark plug tipped caps, its TFI

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Re: X-flow distrubitor

Post #5 by papawfalcon » Mon Sep 12, 2016 12:00 pm

THANKS, I just found this. I will hane to check it out!
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Re: X-flow distrubitor

Post #6 by papawfalcon » Tue Sep 13, 2016 11:44 pm

My heads is a C-1 and the distributer has two wire 1 red one green comming from it. Now I am worried about the coil. If the one I have works with this dist.?
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Post #7 by xctasy » Sun Sep 18, 2016 11:46 am

Cool! Just be aware. Its a 9.35:1 compression engine. Designed for 97 octane.


Addo answered it Thu Apr 28, 2005

addo wrote:For the questions we get, and the curious, here is one.

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Nothing to be afraid of! :)

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Bosch Type 61. Used on 245/265/318/340/360 Mopar, 173/202/253/308 GM Holden and Ford 302/351 v8's and 200/250 sixes from the mid 70's to to early 80's.


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Its the solid state vac advance system on the far right.


Wires are green and red on those for sure.

9-230-064-705 came out of a 3.3 or 4.1 auto falcon or TF Cortina high comp engine.
9-230-064-710 manual 3.3
9-230-064-711 4.1 auto
9-230-064-716 came out of a XE 4.1 auto

Specs are You need a coil with Primary Resistance of 0.45 Ohms, Secondary Resistance of 6.6 K Ohms.


from ADDO in April 21, 2003

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Distributor test:
Connect a volt meter & an LED test light to the blue/white wire on the ignition module.
Cranking over the engine should get a pulse through the volt meter and the LED light also pulsing. Distributor test is OK if it does so

Coil test:
Using an ohm meter check the primary terminals, should read 0.45 K Ohms. Check secondary terminals, reads: 6.6 K Ohms
Put timing light on lead running from coil to distributor, you should get strobe. If nothing, no strobe, then a reluctor problem. Should get same result when tested on all spark plugs.
Check with Volt meter on both terminals. Voltage should fluctuate and LED pulse.


The old Ford Falcon Ignition coil - XE 3/1982-9/1984 6 Cyl 4.1Liter was the same as the XD/XE and Aussie Ford Broco/f100/250/350 3/1979-2/1982 8 Cyl 302 C 4BBL and 351c 4bbl.




They were standard oil fitted coils by Bosch with codes like:-.

Bosch - 9220-061-444, 9220-061-445, 9220-061-448, 9220-061-449,
Bosch - 9220-061-451, 9220-061-453, 9220-061-455, 9220-061-460,
Bosch - 9220-061-461, 9220-061-462, 9220-061-465, 9220-061-466,
Bosch - 9220-061-480, 9220-061-483, 9220-061-485, 9220-061-600,
Bosch - 9220-061-601, 9220-061-603

http://apps.bosch.com.au/AAExtranet_Tec ... lspecs.pdf

They were replaced with this http://www.sparkshop.co.nz/Catalogue/Pr ... t/69MEC717

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Re: X-flow distrubitor

Post #8 by papawfalcon » Sun Sep 18, 2016 10:37 pm

wow .now I am having a hard time trying to find a match in the usa. Is this me or is there an easy way or there is a range for the primary and secondqry resistance?
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Post #9 by xctasy » Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:12 am

papawfalcon wrote:wow .now I am having a hard time trying to find a match in the usa. Is this me or is there an easy way or there is a range for the primary and secondqry resistance?


I've updated this. The GT40T i'd suggested isn't common, and might have too much primary resitance, so it wouldn't work well.

Can you confirm the number on the distributor? I assume Automatic, 4.1 1985 is 711 or 716, which one is it?

One is 2.97 ohms, the other 0.41. I'd be certain that the ignition is 716, the common low sub 1 ohm kind.

If you could confirm Ken.





You just need to track down a replacement non ballast resitance high out put ignition coil with below 1 ohm primary resistance.

Duraspark II coils are not what you want.


The range is due to the application and settings Ford had on each engine. The coils themselves from October 1980 to late 1985 were the same unless they were EFI.

For exampe, the California spec 1977 to 1979 302 Monarch or Granada carries the common old D7AZ-12029-A Ignition Coil (Motorcraft DG-316), is 0.70Ω primary resistance, 7,750Ω secondary resistance and no ballast resistance (the coil operated at full battery voltage, but it has the ballast to dissipate a few hundred watts in certain situations to saturate the coil for starting).

You don't need a ballast resistor

Generally, any non ballast coil will work fine.

The specs for primary and secondary are normally like this, which is in the range of the Bosch 705 to 716 series coils.

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Most coils should read between 0.4 and 2 ohms primary. Zero resistance would indicate a shorted coil while a high resistance reading would indicate an open coil.
Secondary resistance is measured between the positive (+) terminal and high voltage output terminal. Newer coils with segmented core construction typically read 6,000 to 8,000 ohms, while others can may read as high as 15,000 ohms



So any non ballast coil with below 1 ohm primary resistance should be a good start.

The Ford TFI style of "E-core" coil primary and secondary ohm specs of 0.44 to 0.68 ohms and 5.5 to 4.8 K ohms, depending on the date it was made and the maker.


Less than 1 ohm coils are electronic controlled to hack the current. A non oil filled replacment is the S10 remote HEI coil (These coils are found on HEI engines with small caps [except inline 6's with large cap HEI with coil post], late 80's to 90's 350's, 4.3's and 2.5's mainly GMC and Chev trucks and vans. 2000 and up coils are usually 0.2 ohm). These are like the Chrysler Australia /Ford Australia/Mitsubishi Australia and GM Holden Australia coil's.

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The remote coil has two connectors. The gray connector is the 12V coil power supply, the large pink wire goes to ignition "on" power for the distributor, the white wire can be hooked to a tachometer. The black connector has the smaller pink and white wires which goes to the two wire connector on the ignition module on the distributor. From black connector small pink to "B" and white to "C" on module.
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Post #10 by papawfalcon » Wed Oct 05, 2016 6:07 pm

This is what I got MSD Blaster2 PN 8202 primary .7 ohms secondary 4.5 ohms
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Post #11 by xctasy » Wed Oct 05, 2016 6:25 pm

papawfalcon wrote:This is what I got MSD Blaster2 PN 8202 primary .7 ohms secondary 4.5 ohms



Nice choice!


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Sorry about all the tooing and froing, but that will get you in ball park with a nice fat spark. Well done.


PS. What code number is on your ignition. Is it suffixed 716?
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Post #12 by papawfalcon » Wed Oct 05, 2016 10:55 pm

CODE#? on the distrubitor?
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Post #13 by xctasy » Wed Oct 19, 2016 3:35 am

papawfalcon wrote:CODE#? on the distrubitor?



Yeah, behind the plastic cover!

Bosch made the distributor with a Motorcraft name, and Ford called it Duraspark, but its actually a 61 Bosch points distributor with new 64 part number, and 61 state spark amplifyer. The suffix 9-230-064 707 and 9-230-061 707 should match

9-230-064-705 came out of a 3.3 or 4.1 auto falcon or TF Cortina high comp engine.
9-230-064-707 XE 4.1 auto
9-230-064-710 manual 3.3
9-230-064-711 4.1 auto
9-230-064-716 came out of a XE 4.1 auto


One of my many engines an XE 4.1 auto

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with HF2 head, and its got "9-230-064-707" stamped on the distributor.


I'll post photos soon.

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