1 of a kind 2bbl head?
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FrankBoss
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If Darrrel wins it the head will be documented for sure... I'll even Lazer cut him a few base plate gaskets.
I would love to see this thing dissasembled and photographed so everone would have the information. This is the only reason I havent bid on it my self....
But I refuse to run the price up since Darrels a fellow member...
Frank
I would love to see this thing dissasembled and photographed so everone would have the information. This is the only reason I havent bid on it my self....
But I refuse to run the price up since Darrels a fellow member...
Frank
I've got a 2 megapixel camera to take photos of it with. If that isn't good enough, I can borrow the one I use at work. It's a 5 megapixel camera. I use it for close up shots on equipment I teach. I use that camera for powerpoint closeups and project them on screens and walls for classroom use. I really am interested and excited about this head. Frank and I can get together and document and sort this thing out, so all of us can see it. I know a couple of places to check with to do a little digging about background. I've done a little research on Pintos, Pangras, Holman and Moody equipment, and Buddy Bar castings (yes some Shelby stuff). You just meet people when you're traveling around the US.
Darrell
Darrell
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That's very cool! I would love to have that, would give me lots of hood clearance!!
I would have to totally de-smog it and that would ruin it as an "artifact".
I would have to totally de-smog it and that would ruin it as an "artifact".
I have already made contact with him, just in case. My max bid, that the auction doesn't show, is way above what actual bid is currently. I wonder what else he has in that load of NOS parts he bought 15 to 20 years ago or that he has only displayed on a showroom floor. Interesting!
addo":twjpa0mq said:
Regards the Mercury Capri RS 2-bbl, it had a 6520 series Holley Weber (ie Cortina/Pinto/Mustang 2300 carb), and had to have an EO number which exists in the California Air Regulatory Board files. You can probably find it on there Executive Order website by randomly plugging in , oh, about 9999 numbers, and finding the 95 hp version on the 1981 Ford 3.3.
Evidence is that the 81 2-bbl 3.3 is legitmate.
Over the codes on the 1977 experimental head.
Ford has to protect its liabilities. X code pre-production, or non Regular Production Option (RPO) stuff is a major risk to any company, so they give it a number that is not standard. My old Fridge and Dishwashers were purchased as experimentals from a local whiteware company, and they had a 'no service repaires' disclaimer, and instructions not to repair as they were pre-delivery items (ie, Experiemental)
XE code stuff happens all over the FoMoCo Empire.
The Aussie Ford Special Vehicles Operation was wound up in 1973. It sold a lot of imported Cleveland Ohio made XE stamped 2 and 4 bolt blocks in the early 70's to its close buddies. Triple 2-bbl Cleveland intakes with XE stamps are seen on many sites, and then even the Australian NASCAR block which had both an SVO part number, and an XE stamp to signify it wasn't a Regular Production Option. Many of these were sold privately, through channels which were not required to provide a warranty.
These days, its no longer an issue, as we all want to ooogle that I6 head, and go over it. What a veritible gem of a find, well done!
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Anonymous
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Definitely Genuine Ford. My guess (like others) is an experimental head. Did you notice EGT probe on the EGR spacer?
The larger plenum+ unique part#s seperate it from the rest.
The larger plenum+ unique part#s seperate it from the rest.
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How about the exhaust manifold? Shouldnt one with a late part number like that have the wierd lite off catalytic convertor attatched to it?
I have a 78 exhaust manifold and its nothing like that one...
I saved all the pics for future use
Later,
Doug
I have a 78 exhaust manifold and its nothing like that one...
I saved all the pics for future use
Later,
Doug
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Speaking of which...There is an `80 Fairmont, 200/auto in our local "Pull-apart" style yard with that unique Ex. manifold. It's a 4 door plain Jane with dog dish hubcaps (Fleet car?) Std. 1 bbl carb with a Cat. the size of a coffee can built into the manifold and the pipe coming off 90* at the bottom. Also has a Thermactor and EGR. Never seen one till this week?Mustang_Geezer":1ut7a8ry said:How about the exhaust manifold? Shouldnt one with a late part number like that have the wierd lite off catalytic convertor attatched to it?
I have a 78 exhaust manifold and its nothing like that one...
I saved all the pics for future use
Later,
Doug
-Doug
Just a heads up to everyone. I emailed the guy again asking if he would reveal his reserve. He said $500. I'm not willing to go that high for the head. $250 not a problem, but $500 I believe is actually too high. I don't believe there is a market for it at that price unless it is someone from here. Let's face it, that's a large chunk towards Mike's new head, even if it is a one off experimental head. Just wanted to be straight forward with you guys.
Darrell
Darrell
Mustang Boy
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dang he is wanting alot for that head
I think Mike should buy it. Think about it from a marketing standpoint- He could have it on the table with the new head and an aussie cross flow head. The best Ford Australia could come up with, the best Ford America could come up with- and the Best. Period.
I'd be interested to see what it could do on the dyno with the direct mount 2bbl and the larger log.
-Michael
I'd be interested to see what it could do on the dyno with the direct mount 2bbl and the larger log.
-Michael
Mercury Mike
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Hey Mike, what's up dude? Long time no talk to. That's a pretty sweet idea.
FALCONAROUND
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Experimental or not I don't think it's worth more than about $150... Yeah Yeah, people are willing to go higher but think about it....
What is a good and proper use for this head besides glass beading and a repaint with mew valves and whatnot then set it on a table to talk about...
I think there is advantage (but small, power wise) in the larger log, and extra venturi, and somewhere there is a cam that was ground for this aplication, unless they used a standard cam what could one extra barrel give you?
What are the valve sizes on it? If they are the stock regular 200 valves then there is very little to be gained from a second venturi added to the mix... Maybe 8 HP give or take?
The coolness factor is definitely there but there is more coolness to an original early Offy Log with 3 single's on it....
Just my opinion...
FE
What is a good and proper use for this head besides glass beading and a repaint with mew valves and whatnot then set it on a table to talk about...
I think there is advantage (but small, power wise) in the larger log, and extra venturi, and somewhere there is a cam that was ground for this aplication, unless they used a standard cam what could one extra barrel give you?
What are the valve sizes on it? If they are the stock regular 200 valves then there is very little to be gained from a second venturi added to the mix... Maybe 8 HP give or take?
The coolness factor is definitely there but there is more coolness to an original early Offy Log with 3 single's on it....
Just my opinion...
FE
While I am not bidding on it, I would be interested if I was in the middle of a build. It would definately be novel. 1 extra barrel would give a similar gain as adding a 2bbl to a log just as adding 3 1bbls. The larger log would give more flow. Your assumption that the valves need to be larger to see a gain is must be based on knowledge that the vale is the bottleneck but I think it is the log and 1 bbl opening. I think it has been proven many times and documented in the this forum and previous forums this one come from that adding a 350 or 500 cfm holley to a log showed significant gains especial when accompanied by a header and cam. Don't be so negative. Think about it. If you could gain 1/2 the flow difference over the normal log compared to Mike's head, you could have the head and still have money for larger carb, headers and cam. It all depends on what you are looking for and budget you have.
FALCONAROUND
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To me it's everything...
I am designing a dual 2V 200 head to run on my Falcon.
I plan on having the fastest 200CI naturally asperated powered '61 Falcon 4 door in the World.
Useing the original 200 head not the logless style either... SO all the #'s mean something to me, just a 2V head isn't all that spectacular if you think about it...
They likely experimented with them for several diffrent combo's during the smog awkward early 70's
FE
I am designing a dual 2V 200 head to run on my Falcon.
I plan on having the fastest 200CI naturally asperated powered '61 Falcon 4 door in the World.
Useing the original 200 head not the logless style either... SO all the #'s mean something to me, just a 2V head isn't all that spectacular if you think about it...
They likely experimented with them for several diffrent combo's during the smog awkward early 70's
FE
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