200 6cyl or 2.8L v6?

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ok i got a 1979 mustang ghia and its got a nock.... its pritty bad. i found a 3.3, 200cyl probly get it pritty cheap. what would you do? fix the nock or put a 3.3 in? the 2.8 has got a 2 barel and the 3.3 would have a 1 barel, the 3.3 is out of a 1982 zepher and the 2.8v6 its out of the stang.. which would have more power the 3.3 or the 2.8 v6? what would the rated hp be on each?
 
which one has more power? and were can i get a 2barel or 4 barel manifold for the 3.3?
 
Welcome. We're mostly I6 diehards here, so I'd look at the I6 and only do the mods you need to get it running. Spend a year getting it running right with the stock carb, then look doing some piece by piece mods as you get the funds.



1. Swaping the I6 requires a subframe swap. The 2.8 is the Cologne engine, and it runs the 2.3 front cross member. To put the 3.3 in, you have to raid a 3.3 Fox Mustang or Fairmont, Cougar or 80-84 I6 Capri for the mounts and cross member too.

2. If your current car is the very rare 4-speed V6 with the SROD 4-speed, then its next to impossble to fit it to the low mount engine unless can find the T4 stick shift four speed. The 82 3.3 engine will most likely be a low mount starter engine. That means you can't easily fit a T4, T5 or SROD gearbox.

3. Carbs are easy to swap. About 1978, Ford went from the earlier 5200 Holley Weber to the 2-bbl 2150 Motorcraft carb in the last 78 European Capris. You have to look and see what carb i there now.

Sooo, if you have the bits, you can run the 3.3 with a Stovebolt or Clifford adaptor, and the 5200 or 2150 carb. Whatever is there can be jetted up to suit a warmed up 3.3.

The power stock is only 88 hp, the 2.8 is like 93 hp. The 3.3 has more low end torque and is more economical.


5. If you can be bothered fitting the stock C5 auto, the car will work fine with the V6 carb, and the diff that's in it will be fine.

There are no limits. The little 2.8 Cologne is a really good little engine. It's just that nothing from the 83 to 85 Ranger/ Bronco II engines fits unless you swap in the whole engine from a later truck. The Mustang / Explorer 4.0 V6 is a good proposition, but a little involved to swap in. If you find the later engine from a Mustang, you could swap it in.
 
If the 2.8 is the original motor than you will have to change the front cross member to put the 3.3 motor in.

The 3.3 motor mount locations are located further forward than the 2.8

The cross member you have in the car now is the same a V8.

You say the 3.3 is out of a 82 Zepher...........see if you can get the cross member as well, it will fit - as all the fox bodied cars use the same under-carriges.

John
 
its a 3speed auto... so i dont no what tranny it is. its geared pritty low but i dont mind... the knock sounds like its cumming from the uper head, it got good power so its not a valve, what do you think?i gona take it apart this weekend... if i get my other car out of the garage...
 
My opinion is.. :? changing from an underpowered engine to just a tiny bit less underpowered engine won´t be worth the try.. stick with the current one.
 
I also have a 79 with 90,000 miles. The last year which was built in Germany.

I was also considering removing the 2.8 but decided not to. There is nothing wrong with it and I actually love the power. Mine is a stick not auto but it needs a 5th gear. 4 is just not enough.

I say stick with the 2.8 or drop in a 302.
 
wonder what i would need to do that? and what i would have to do? they wont bolt up to the tranny? or will they? maybe find a diffrent tranny and all...
 
what would i have to do to put in a 5.0, my car has a 2.8L v6, 3speed tranny...
 
Think about it some more, and how much you really want to do.

Engine swaps are only for 0.1% of the population because many of us find it very frustrating. So relax a little, and do some planning.

A 2300 and 2800 are basically Cologne designed engines which use the same mounting points at the frame. The V8, OHC 2.3 and 2.8 V6 use the same cradle so it may be easier to go 2.8/2.9/4.0 V6 or 5.0 V8 for an engine swap than an I6 3.3 cradle swap.

The I6 has a totally different pressed stel 'pods' welded on to the cradle, so its requires you to lower the cradle out under your Stang, and then replace it with a 80-83 I6 3.3 one from any Cougar, Tbird, Fairmont, Mustang or Capri. It's a straight swaps right in though.

Don't rush things.

A good 2.8, 2.9, 4.0 Cologne V6 would make the car a delight. The engine in German form the 2.8 had 160 hp in the 1978 Mechanical Fuel Injection version, good enough for a 15.9 second quarter mile and 130 mph while still getting fuel figures in the high 20's with a 4-speed manual gearbox.

Stock truck 4.0's bolt in using the later Mustang SN95 engine mounts. You could even wack in a 200 hp ExplorerSOHC or Mustang SOHC V6 and you can put in a 4 or even 5 speed auto gearbox from the Explorer into one, or just use your stock C3 or C4 gearbox.

Or you can go 5.0.

There is no limit to what you can do.

I'd look at the 4.0. It puts out 165 hp in stock form, and is a really strong American build tall deck version of your existing 2.8, with EFI and a great exhast system. Later SN95 stuff fits too. Sump is the same, the basic block has the same hard dimensions, its just 0.76" taller in the block with much better heads, a perfect EFI and ignition system, and is competenty engineered.

With people wanting to ditch SUV's, a 4.0 Cologne V6 is a good option. Only thing is, it has very specific sensors and parts which make it important to read the shop manauls. Things like cam swaps and header kits are very complicated for this engine because it's specifically a Mustang or Explorer engine, and you have to know the year and modle of the bits. Many extreamly good aftermarket kits abound for the engine, but you gotta know to undestand!

The I6 is a super simple six which is very user friendly, and any problem can be fixed without too much fuss.

Think it over!
 
I borrowed a 88 ranger with a 2.9 5sp combo to tow my fairmont to florida on a dolly years ago. The 2.9 EFI is a very good engine. If you can find one cheap i'd try it. Empty bed and it would blow off V-6 Camaros. :lol:
 
what about a 1985 3.8L with tranny? would the mounts work? what about the drive shaft?
 
ok the engine and tranny that i might swap is cumming from a 1982 - 1983 Ford mustang V6, 3.8 L, 232 CID carb. Will the tranny mounts and engine mounts work?
 
I think that putting a v8 into my car would make it nose heavey... i want to stick with a v6..
 
if i put a 4.0 fuel injected into the car what electronic stuff would i need? i am a noob to the new stuff, can i make it carb?
 
what would you do, get a 3.8L carb with 3spd auto tranny and make it work some how... or get a 2.3L with a carb and bolt it 2 my car which also has a 3speed tran?
 
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