xpcoupe221
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Has anynody here sonic tested a 221 block? What results did u find
221 sonic test
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62Ranchero200
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I had my 250 block sonic tested - cost about $100.
Was hoping to bore the block .070 over and use Jeep 258 pistons, which would raise compression and give me near zero deck height without further mods ... but there wasn't enough material between the cylinders to safely bore that much. I ended up boring the block .020 over to clean up the cylinders, using 300 rods and custom RaceTek pistons.
Thanks
Bob
Was hoping to bore the block .070 over and use Jeep 258 pistons, which would raise compression and give me near zero deck height without further mods ... but there wasn't enough material between the cylinders to safely bore that much. I ended up boring the block .020 over to clean up the cylinders, using 300 rods and custom RaceTek pistons.
Thanks
Bob
xpcoupe221
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Thanks for your reply. I called my engine shop today & asked him and he said im wasting my time but hell do it. Thats the std reply ive been getting, I like a challenge so project turbo 221 is about to commence 
xpcoupe221":1dzlzrh4 said:Thanks for your reply. I called my engine shop today & asked him and he said im wasting my time but heck do it. Thats the std reply ive been getting, I like a challenge so project turbo 221 is about to commence
Sounds like U might B DownUnder?
xpcoupe221
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Your on to it
As the first trans pacific air plane crossing Charles Kingsford Smiths American radio opperator said..."when in Rome, act like a Roman Candle...."
Nah, its a 1968-1970 XT or XW Falcon "3.6 litre" in my 65 or 66 XP Aussie Falcon. 135 or 140 hp in line six.
The engines were never called 188 or 221's except in the ACL or Repco parts catalogue.
cf this info
http://www.automobile-catalog.com/make/ ... /1969.html
http://www.automobile-catalog.com/make/ ... /1969.html
In the USA, Litre is Liter, like Colour is Color. Or a Boot is a Trunk, or a Bonnet is a Hood, or a Gallon is 3.785 liters. And engines with 121 Killerwatchmacallits have have 162 hp.
Anyone being asked got any idea on what pistons, head gasket and cam I can use in this 221 XP is then going to aks a lot of questions here before they can even help.
The problem your experiencing is just a typical Counter Wally problem we all deal with. Its one of naming it, and understanding what the heck it is. And that's not your fault, its a typical problem for these oddball medium deck sixes from the Antipods.
For example, my close friend has an HX One Tonner with a 30 thou over 350 Chev, but he keeps calling it a "Chevy V8 reworked to 355 specs". That's bu99er all use when he wants an oil filter and air cleaner, and the right oil. Its better to call it what it is from a Counter Wally perfective. In my mates case, he has a 71-73 HQ 350, and He'd like a set of pistons for one that are 30 thou over. thanks.
So the get a response, its kind of hard with the 221 in line six that they only made 70000 of from 1968-1970.
Firstly, its not called a 221 in common usage, and it was never a standadrd XP Falcon engine, and, in any case, not many here know what an XP is anyway. Some know its a 65-66 Aussie Ford Falcon with Mercury Comete body pannels but without the long wheelbase.
Outside Argentina or Australia, nobody even knows what a 2 year build engine called a 221 is. Any North American think its a 221 145 hp V8 from the first and second year 62 and 63 Compact Fairlane, the 221 V8 that was dropped after 1963.
Like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSVdCK79nk4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqVLTGt7HnI
Then there is a 221 Ford V8 made from 1932 to 1950...
I don't blame Henry Ford, but Henry Ford II, and production engineer Stirrat who did the 1962 221 V8, and Bill Bourke, that Canadian Ford Australia manager who decided the make a third kind of 221. Any one of those three could have said, mama mia, I'm gonna confuse the heck outa the future generations...
But no, that's how Ford do it. Just be glad you haven't tried to put a 5.8 liter V8 in your XP. Could be anyone of six Ford engines. An FE 352, Windsor 351, 351K (a tall deck 351W without the extra manifold bolts), 351M, 351C, or maybee some one screwed you over and replaced your 351C crank with some 302c conrods and a crank.
Nah, its a 1968-1970 XT or XW Falcon "3.6 litre" in my 65 or 66 XP Aussie Falcon. 135 or 140 hp in line six.
The engines were never called 188 or 221's except in the ACL or Repco parts catalogue.
cf this info
http://www.automobile-catalog.com/make/ ... /1969.html
http://www.automobile-catalog.com/make/ ... /1969.html
In the USA, Litre is Liter, like Colour is Color. Or a Boot is a Trunk, or a Bonnet is a Hood, or a Gallon is 3.785 liters. And engines with 121 Killerwatchmacallits have have 162 hp.
Anyone being asked got any idea on what pistons, head gasket and cam I can use in this 221 XP is then going to aks a lot of questions here before they can even help.
The problem your experiencing is just a typical Counter Wally problem we all deal with. Its one of naming it, and understanding what the heck it is. And that's not your fault, its a typical problem for these oddball medium deck sixes from the Antipods.
For example, my close friend has an HX One Tonner with a 30 thou over 350 Chev, but he keeps calling it a "Chevy V8 reworked to 355 specs". That's bu99er all use when he wants an oil filter and air cleaner, and the right oil. Its better to call it what it is from a Counter Wally perfective. In my mates case, he has a 71-73 HQ 350, and He'd like a set of pistons for one that are 30 thou over. thanks.
So the get a response, its kind of hard with the 221 in line six that they only made 70000 of from 1968-1970.
Firstly, its not called a 221 in common usage, and it was never a standadrd XP Falcon engine, and, in any case, not many here know what an XP is anyway. Some know its a 65-66 Aussie Ford Falcon with Mercury Comete body pannels but without the long wheelbase.
Outside Argentina or Australia, nobody even knows what a 2 year build engine called a 221 is. Any North American think its a 221 145 hp V8 from the first and second year 62 and 63 Compact Fairlane, the 221 V8 that was dropped after 1963.
Like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSVdCK79nk4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqVLTGt7HnI
Then there is a 221 Ford V8 made from 1932 to 1950...
I don't blame Henry Ford, but Henry Ford II, and production engineer Stirrat who did the 1962 221 V8, and Bill Bourke, that Canadian Ford Australia manager who decided the make a third kind of 221. Any one of those three could have said, mama mia, I'm gonna confuse the heck outa the future generations...
But no, that's how Ford do it. Just be glad you haven't tried to put a 5.8 liter V8 in your XP. Could be anyone of six Ford engines. An FE 352, Windsor 351, 351K (a tall deck 351W without the extra manifold bolts), 351M, 351C, or maybee some one screwed you over and replaced your 351C crank with some 302c conrods and a crank.
xpcoupe221
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I hear you but being that this forum is used by aussies as well I thought the question may get a answer or two relating the sonic test. No biggy just curious really to what others have found. I have been told one of the biggest problems with a turbo 221 will be headgaskets so I called gasket solutions in qld, to make me a cometic style single head gasket for the 221 will be $600 wow. Perhaps somebody could offer a cheaper solution stateside? Thanks
AP630MT FROM PAGES 117 TO 133 in the acl cat http://www.acl.com.au/web/aclwebsite.ns ... ersion.pdf
AP630MT fits anything from a 144 to a 250, its a one size fits all gasket that gives great results.
You follow the RA (Roughness Average) requirements and get an engine builder with something like a Sunnen laser profilometer to confirm the decked head and block are the right RA to suit the required AP630MT specs. Then you use new studs not over lubricated , and you torque in three stages as per ACL's instructions.
Then you won't blow head gaskets.
AP630MT fits anything from a 144 to a 250, its a one size fits all gasket that gives great results.
You follow the RA (Roughness Average) requirements and get an engine builder with something like a Sunnen laser profilometer to confirm the decked head and block are the right RA to suit the required AP630MT specs. Then you use new studs not over lubricated , and you torque in three stages as per ACL's instructions.
Then you won't blow head gaskets.
xctasy":3i3xck7z said:Generic changes were made by the Broadmedows and Geelong engineers in Australia when the US 144/170 engines evolved into the subtley different early 1965 to 1975 non cross flows. The Aussie 188/200/221/250 and its penultimate 170 HP M code 250 2V were really different in detail. No loadamatic, no Autolites, funny ex Dodge truck Bosch ignition and Stromberg carb systems, special cam bearing , valve guide sizes, different block to trans patterns, electricals, no emissions requirements until 1973, no hardened valve inserts, and a weird range of low and high compression engines with tight cylinder head to piston clearances which just look to have the same gross hp ratings as US 1967 3.03 and 1968 250 engines, but were so different everywhere else.
Ford of Broadmeadows, melbourne, Victoria changed the composition of materials after sedan racing them in 500 mile races, and local supliers used different parts...the warranty claims of early Falcons were huge, and the Canadian Ford Australia manager Bill Bourke area phased in huge quality and durability changes to every facet of the Falcon powerplant engineering. The two lines started to diverge.
The head here in the following photos is the last US made 170 head, and it links up to the common Monotorque® Australasian ACL (Automtive Components Limited) gasket which costs a massive New Zealand $ 33 dollar for this little baby, AP630MT, the generic Oceania Pacific region log head gasket avaliable every where from Hawai to Indonesia to the Chattam Island the Ross Ice Shelf...
See http://www.acl.com.au
The changes over the stock 25 thou Dearborn steel gasket. The ACL composite item is a thickness of about 41 thou compressed, and the different size and shape for the water holes.
Any composite gasket that fits a US 3.3 or 4.1 liter engine will fit an Aussie 3.1 or 3.6 litre engine.
MLS, Mike1157 from the US has access to a company who will make anything for a fee. Or check for other sources on line for the 50 and 53 thou thick composites here http://classicinlines.com/products.asp?cat=81
Summit make a full 3.3 liter T, B or X code Ford in line six gasket set for 44US bucks that has a Felpro gasket.
"...so I called gasket solutions in qld, to make me a cometic style single head gasket for the 221 will be $600 wow. Perhaps somebody could offer a cheaper solution stateside?..."
I'm not a mechanic but it might work to buy a sheet of gasket material and cut yer own?
We sell it in several materials (no metal tho) @ a "big box" store...
I'll ship some out if interested or better - give U a site (duties violations if I ship) if PMed here or contacted a @ my below underlined email.
Now onto read the rest of these (this) post(s).
I'm not a mechanic but it might work to buy a sheet of gasket material and cut yer own?
We sell it in several materials (no metal tho) @ a "big box" store...
I'll ship some out if interested or better - give U a site (duties violations if I ship) if PMed here or contacted a @ my below underlined email.
Now onto read the rest of these (this) post(s).
"...An FE 352, Windsor 351, 351K (a tall deck 351W without the extra manifold bolts), 351M, 351C, or..."
the 400M
(just to add more confusion - but hey, I like THAT one cuz it's ford and the biggest 'square' motor I've seen + hell of a tq monster for a ford SB).
the 400M
(just to add more confusion - but hey, I like THAT one cuz it's ford and the biggest 'square' motor I've seen + hell of a tq monster for a ford SB).
xpcoupe221
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Thanks for the replys guys. Block & head surfaces will be machined & zero decked. I don't think a felpro or acl will live with 15lbs of boost but I will try, at this stage im not up for a $600 cometic but may have to in the future.
