Argie Head & Holley 5200
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Yes, but there are two types of intake manifold. The 188 ME was designed for a progressive choke. It has a carb facing with bores paralel (sp, long night hoisting in two 1979 Falcons up my drive :x )
The rarer 221 SP one with bores at right angles, same as the 2V Aussie head. If you use a progressive 32/36 Weber or 5200 Holey Weber on the right angel one, it can favor one group of cylinders more. (sp, long night hoisting in two 1979 Falcons up my drive :x )
Check will Inliner, but I think thats how it goes.( could be wrong, long night hoisting in two 1979 Falcons up my drive :x )
I need speel, um, sleep....
The rarer 221 SP one with bores at right angles, same as the 2V Aussie head. If you use a progressive 32/36 Weber or 5200 Holey Weber on the right angel one, it can favor one group of cylinders more. (sp, long night hoisting in two 1979 Falcons up my drive :x )
Check will Inliner, but I think thats how it goes.( could be wrong, long night hoisting in two 1979 Falcons up my drive :x )
I need speel, um, sleep....
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Hey Mike,
Sorry to take so long. I leave in the morning for Bs As.
The 5200 will slap right on to the ME intake. A Solex carb was original equipment. I wouldn't suggest a Holley or Autolite 2100 for the ME intake. I adapted a Holley 500 to the ME intake, but it tended to favor the front cylinders from the way the throttle shafts opened. I swapped to the SP intake with the Holley and cleared that problem up. We've seen other people have the same problem when using a Holley on the Aussie 250-2V manifold/head.
Simply put, the throttle shafts need to run parallel to the crankshaft to evenly distribute fuel. You can't do that with with the Aussie intake or ME intake unless you use a carb like the Weber or the 5200.
Sorry to take so long. I leave in the morning for Bs As.
The 5200 will slap right on to the ME intake. A Solex carb was original equipment. I wouldn't suggest a Holley or Autolite 2100 for the ME intake. I adapted a Holley 500 to the ME intake, but it tended to favor the front cylinders from the way the throttle shafts opened. I swapped to the SP intake with the Holley and cleared that problem up. We've seen other people have the same problem when using a Holley on the Aussie 250-2V manifold/head.
Simply put, the throttle shafts need to run parallel to the crankshaft to evenly distribute fuel. You can't do that with with the Aussie intake or ME intake unless you use a carb like the Weber or the 5200.
Hey in liner, this is what I thought. Not quite sure which one is best. I'd appreciate your comments, as I don't want to put any one wrong!
From my understanding, I thought both 188 ME and 250 2V had split intake runners with the carb at right angles?.
On the Aussie one, it isn't good when you have a 32/36 or 5200 Holley, but on the 188 ME, it is!
188 ME intake was designed for a progressive 2-bbl Solex carb, similar to the 32/36 Weber and 5200 Holley Weber.
221 SP intake was designed for a Holley 2-bbl carb with both barrels that open at the same time. Eg Autolite 2100, Holley 2300 (350?500), Weber 38 etc.
250 2v intake. Shamelessly stolen from addo, (who is 34 soon!)
This is designed for a non progressive Bendix/Stromberg 2-bbl, Autolite 2100, Holley 2300 350/500 2-bbl. A 38 Weber is also good. Although 5200 or 32/36 can work, they are not recomended as it favours certian cylinders due to the split divder in the intake runners.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/ ... v_plan.bmp
On some engines, like the X-flow 200/250 engines, a progessive Weber ADM 34 or a Holley 2300 can work.
From my understanding, I thought both 188 ME and 250 2V had split intake runners with the carb at right angles?.
On the Aussie one, it isn't good when you have a 32/36 or 5200 Holley, but on the 188 ME, it is!
188 ME intake was designed for a progressive 2-bbl Solex carb, similar to the 32/36 Weber and 5200 Holley Weber.
221 SP intake was designed for a Holley 2-bbl carb with both barrels that open at the same time. Eg Autolite 2100, Holley 2300 (350?500), Weber 38 etc.
250 2v intake. Shamelessly stolen from addo, (who is 34 soon!)
This is designed for a non progressive Bendix/Stromberg 2-bbl, Autolite 2100, Holley 2300 350/500 2-bbl. A 38 Weber is also good. Although 5200 or 32/36 can work, they are not recomended as it favours certian cylinders due to the split divder in the intake runners.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/ ... v_plan.bmp
On some engines, like the X-flow 200/250 engines, a progessive Weber ADM 34 or a Holley 2300 can work.
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So you're saying that a progressive 2-bbl isn't the greatest idea on an Oz 250-2v? Or am I reading that wrong?
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Truth is, I drank way too much white lightning from just such bottle's and no longer have the brain cells necessary to figure out what you said.
But I am trying;
If my back 3 cylinders are richer than the front 3 it's because the 2300 throttle plates favor the back.
And if the OZ intake was designed for a non progressive carb with throttle plates that open towards the head.
Then everyone running the 2300/OZ intake has this problem.
What to do? Jack suggested a plate to redirect the flow or fabricating a adaptor to reorient the carb. William suggeseted a Nascar trick of creating an expoxy dam to stop liquid fuel from traveling backwards.
I had planned to go TBI but would face the same problem unless a unit is available which throttle plates open toward the head.
I know the progressive 5200 favored 3/4 having had one.
Would turning it around to pull from the fender be feasable/work?
What readily available carbs are suited to the OZ intake?
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You are basically stuck with a DGV 32/36 or a DGS 38/38 carb... Or, you try cutting the intake, and fit a 4bbl sideways.
On the other hand, with an SP Argie head you are free to use a nice big Holley 2bbl. In fact, the Holley 2300 was the factory item.
On the other hand, with an SP Argie head you are free to use a nice big Holley 2bbl. In fact, the Holley 2300 was the factory item.
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Inliner":3gl9zwml said:
Thanks Inliner,
$450 for the Weber makes cutting the intake look good. Slade has his mounted as you describe but it seems to me the inner cylinders would still be favored as they were with the 5200. Maybe the spread of the 4V helps?
How about it Slade, are 1/6 lean?
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Well, you could help that, or solve it altogether by facing the bowl of the Holley towards the valve cover. This way, the blades will open away from the runners and avoid a straight shot into 3 and 4. You follow? This is how the SP done.
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Inliner":1zva6fvm said:
That might work better space wise in the Comet too!
Linkage would be interesting.
OkeOkefenokee Comet":342caub4 said:
i picked up a weber 38/38 DGES carb on ebay for 250 from this guy
http://www.jtoutfitters.com
I have since sold it but my 2300 holly fits the same way so you should be able to use it as well. now i am thinking of going to a 4bbl setup like cobrasix
John
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Thanks for that link John, $350 for the 38/38 is the best price I've seen.
With the orientation of my carb (primaries further from the head) I've found no difference in the cylinders as far as rich/lean. THey are all running lean on cruise and rich on WOT. I have some rejetting to do as I'm still running the stock jets. I think I may be going slightly lean on the outers at WOT but I haven't seen any evidence of that. I have check my plugs after a hard 0-70 run followed by immediate shut down so I could check my secondaries. IMHO you'll never get rid of the problem of outer carbs leaning out on anything but multiple carbueration at least on the aussie intakes.
Al and I decided on this orientation due to the fact that it places the primaries equadistant from all cylinders and since that is what I run on most of the time, that is what I thought more important.
Slade
Al and I decided on this orientation due to the fact that it places the primaries equadistant from all cylinders and since that is what I run on most of the time, that is what I thought more important.
Slade
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