Connecting rods - 2.5 HSC - 5.990 for the 250?

rpatt1

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Hi Guys,

I have a 1975 Mercury Comet with the 250 six. I would like to get the compression ratio up into favorable territory for a 274 Clay Smith cam.
I found through some research that the connecting rods from the ford Taurus 2.5 HSC (non OHC) motor should fit the 250.
The rods are .110 longer than the stock 5.88 length. This would net a .013 deck height with stock 1.5 ch pistons, which would yield a 10.94CR with the 50cc aluminum head and a .053 corteco head gasket. Would this be acceptable with pump premium gas?

Has anyone tried those connecting rods?

Additional info - the 108 lobe center cam has IVC of 65 and should yield a dynamic CR of 8.7.
The car will have a T5 5 speed and 3.55 geared 8 inch rearend.

Thanks,
Rusty
 
I don't have my CR calculator handy, so I haven't been able to verify your calculations.

Stock pistons have a recess, did you include that in your calculation? Or are you using flat top pistons?

An advantage to using 2.5 HSC rods is that it will increase your rod/stroke ratio from 1.504 to 1.532, which will help.
That, and you're using stock off-the-shelf parts, not having to scrounge for odd piston/rod combos.

As for running pump gas, someone else will have to answer that.
 
I've seen numerous reports showing that the max DCR for pump gas is around 8.1:1 to 8.2:1. Your quench is also above the optimum range of .040"-.060" also, and that is known to introduce detonation in higher compression apps as well once you get outside that range. If you only had one or the other out of whack then you might take a gamble, but since both of these factors are playing into the mix, it might not be advisable to run with this combo. Maybe recompute with different cam timing events to get one or both of these issues more in range.
 
You may want to consider a larger combustion chamber to reduce CR.
50cc is pretty small. You can always shave the head; you can't add aluminum.
 
This is the sad pitfall of the awesome CI aluminum head. I really can't fathom why the heads weren't cast a little thicker on the chamber side. As you say you can always shave... Really makes it hard on 250 owners. You can use the larger dish stock pistons, or you could run the #'s on the Erson 280101 cam and see if it drops your dcr down a bit, I suspect it will.
 
You guys need to practice some safe downwind sailing tactics. With the 250 and parts back up from CI, you save because you have the best transmission, ease of installation, power per cubic inch, you maximize torque and seam to still get great fuel economy. A zero deck 250 is a match for a very well spec'd 302 Windsor, and goes a lot harder with the CI head and Clay Smith cams than the same components on a 200. Just having a 250 is a privilege. The pluses have only one minus...expensive pistons.

Proper management for a nominal 55 (50 to 60) cc chamber is a 15 cc dish piston or more.

The parts you are using force you to steer clear of cast flat top pistons, and its much better to spend most of your budget on good aftermarket US custom forged pistons deep dish pistons, rather than the suspect cast flat top replacements. 14.5 cc is just about ideal. A set of six forged pistons cost US $575 + freight from RaceTek Pistons. With that cost, comes a huge saving on forged factory rod choices. The 5.99 2500 cc or 300/4.9 I6 6.21/6.24" Items

Down here in Australia, Ford Aussie used several deep dish pistons, 15.5, 22.9 and 27.9 cc, and have stayed with that bigger dish from 1971 to date, because it works prefect with our 239, 243 and 250 cube I6's with a 3.91" stroke. We often use 6.27 tall deck 200 pistons from the short stroke version of the 1971 to 1992 cross flow 250 six. Even a stock 5.88" rod high compression Aussie piston for a 250 won't ever be less than 8.5 cc in dish. We tend to use very durable Repco sourced stock 1.531" tall Mahale, Duralite high silicon or CP forged pistons, but US suppliers are the best in the world, and you can't go wrong with saving a little more for the best pistons for a US 250.


Re-read 62Rnachero200's post. In his instance, he went down to 1.300" tall pistons from the stock 1.500" aftermarket2.3/2.5 HSC or 200/250 piston. As a rsult, he was able to swap in the early 300 rod, as it is pretty well as bullet proof as the 5.99 2.5 hsc is reputed to be. You can re-bush the later big wrist pin rod to suit the small Ford Six 0.912" wrist pin. I think the oil pickup bolt fouls the larger 300 rod cap base on one cylinder, but nothing an extra washer can't fix. https://imageshack.com/i/mk6ba4j

Here are his states after hours an hours of long consideration and darn hard work.



Mike didn't have a choice to make a whole amount of redundant alloy on the CI head. The compromise on combustion chamber size is the right one, as most performance Fords tend to favor the more common 200. The 250 solution is deep dish pistons, because the flat top HSC/HSO four cylinder pistons aren't always reliable in service, and have a lot more wrist pin off set. They have been noted to freeze in service and sometimes crack skirts under load, two instances here on FordSix Performance.

With 250 Ford I6's Ford US decided to run those over 100 thou piston to block shortfall, and economize on the stock 22 thou 200 gasket, 200 large chamber head, and then used very conservative cam timing, then retarded it even more later on.

In rebuild situation, even expert 250 punters s like Gene Fiore or Does 10's can't get the stock cam gears degreed right, and in stock form the two 250 US cam gear packages slips in service from the ideal figures listed on the cam placards.


This means the modified US 250 with changes like long 6.21" 300 or 5.99 2.5 liter Taurus rods, zero deck, bigger gasket and smaller combustion chamber and smaller dish pistons is a problem.

My solution is the same as 62 Ranchero 200's, and that is to use deeper dish RaceTek pistons which are still 1.5 or less so on deck height from wrist p to piston annular top.


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62 Ranchero, 252 cid, 300 rods, RaceTek pstns, ARP mains bolts & studs, balanced & blueprinted, CI AL head, 1.6:1 adj rckrs, Smith Bros, 274/274/108 cam, CI int, Holley 500, DUI, CI SS hdrs, PowerMaster strtr and 1W alt, Optima, V-8 rad, CF C-4 with B&M ClickShift, 157-T FP, TCI 2500, orig 7.5" diff with 3.50, four wheel drums. Next planned upgrade: front disc brake conversion.
 
Thanks for the responses guys.

Maybe I would be better off to simply use the stock 250 rods and 255 V8 flat top pistons then instead?

This would net a .038 deck clearance and roughly 10.7 SCR - (can't find the actual cc for the 4 valve reliefs cut into these flat top 255 V8 pistons - guessing 5 cc).

This should drop the Dynamic CR into a happy place for the 108/274 cam and pump premium.

Thoughts? Comments?

Thanks,
Rusty
 
I don't think your compression would be quite that high but unless you have the correct specs on piston dish its all a guess. Using the Alum head should allow about a 1/2 point of higher compression over an iron head if your good at tuning. Going with a longer rod is a very good idea in a 250 rather then decking the block excessively. Good luck :nod:

This is a build that is close to that combo, using 255 pistons with stock rods, decking the block .040 and stock iron head. The chamber size on the 250' was 62 CC so maybe you can use the specs to backtrack to figure your Compression Ratio.
http://www.fordsix.com/250old.php
 
I had a tough time with the 9.8 CR on that particular 250 in that article with the log head. Not enough quench area, so even with premium fuel, timing was critical. But with an aluminum head, you should be alright with that same CR.

255 pistons are getting hard to find. Valve reliefs on mine were about 7cc's. Each piston had four, allowing them to be installed on either bank.
 
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