destroy and rebuild in 3 days?

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actually i dont plan on destroying anything, but is it possible to remove the head and the radiator and change the cam with the engine still in the car (lots of space whan the radiator and fan and grill are off) and put it all back together with time to troubleshoot? I need to rebuild a head (the 78 200 head is gettingscrapped cause there are too many bolts that wanted to break so I'm gonna get a proper 78 250 head from the junkers) and it will be rebuilt, and i might get a cam as well....fridays are my day off and saturday is a short day so i can ask forit off and probably get it, so i have 3 days to work with. I figgureday one can be for removal of everything and day 2 can be for installation and day 3 can be for running and troubleshooting...hopefully there arent any problems. I'm gonna need a new timingchain too but the double timing chainfrom FSPP says its for the 200 only (not sure why it wont work on the 250 though?) so I'll just go with stock again....how is that supposed to be done again? freeze the cam andheat up the gear? or freeze both?
 
I've seen your work, and believe in your efforts, brother, but it's too much to ask first up. Mainly because the 250 isn't just a big 200, its a totally new block resting under the stock log head!

You need to do it on a broken 250 or 200 first, and then have a go on yours. It's a bit like a karate move...must be premeditated and worked on in advance so that when the situation comes up, it's an automatic manouvre.

The US 250 runs an extensively altered crank gear, and a chain which is different to the US 200. The cam gear is similar but not the same, IIRC.

Tools like a three leg crank damper remover (The damper is a 250 spec item, much bigger than the 200 ones). A new damper/balancer is likely to be needed. If the elastomeric seal is cracked, the heavy out ring will fly off the inner balancer next time you do a hard run with your new wild cam. The balancer needs to be torqued up properly to the factory spec for a 250. My X-flow 250 in my Falcon has was running for a year without a crank bolt, but a 250 balancer soaks up a heap of crank vibration, and just a short run has it very hot. It's heat the breaks down the elastomeric rubber, not vibration.

In Aussie and Argie blocks, all the 188/221 and Oz 250's run a 200 cube chain but with an extra link. The US 250, however, is totally beafed up with a thicker front snout which means pieces don't interchange. The cam position has space for a stroke even bigger than the mamoth 3.91" it has. (Ford's Canadian Windsor plant may have been planning to take the block out to well over 250 cubes in the 70's!)

The best bet is to get the new 250 timing chain, thrust washer and new dowel which pegs the cam in. New neoprene front cover seal, and a gasket. Despite what some say, I've heard that well worn stock cam bearings are just fine, so its a straight removal of the distributor and the so called 'macorni drive' hexagonal oil pump drive, cam and crank gear, and camshaft and lifters . This is very difficult, sometimes impossible to do on an old engine with the head still on. The trick is to use a pice of high carbon 2 mm gauge wire with a sharp 45 degree bend on the inside to flick the stock lifters up over the carbon ridge that forms above the lifter gallery.

The hex drive should be replaced with a new US market 250 item. The drive is much longer than the US 200, and also 3/8" longer than the Aussie 250. It's a specific unit to the US 250, which again shows that the Dearborn design team had done a huge amount of ovetime on the US 250.

Since the Ford team have done such a huge amount of work on it, plan a cam instillation only after you've done a strip and rough rebuild.

Get the tools, new parts, get an idea of how to do it on a scrap engine, and then go wild yourself.

If you are going to the trouble to run a new cam, find out what size the stock 250 US keyway is, and order a couple of -2 and +2 degree offset versions. The stock cam can be advanced very sucessfully on this huge engine, and degreeing the cam to the specs is a must. Ford has very wide tollerances on the stock crank and cam dots, and they can be a mile off.

Just like the nasty 100 thou short fall in piston height.

If you want some degreeing info there are some website details that cover it.

Hope all this prattle isn't makin you anxious, because a 250 is dead easy to cam swap. I did it in 30 minutes on my 200 Falcon engine. It's just that a few parts not quite right can scr@w up a nice weekend!
 
wow 30 minutes eh? was that with the head still on? or did u take it off?

would it be best just to leave the stock cam in and just rebuild the head than? i certainly dont want problems as i drive quite a bit every day. or would it be better to bring the parts in to a shop for a couple days and have it done right? is that expensive...i'm guessling they would most likely pull the engine? or would they do it with the engine still in the car....i certainly wouldnt want to pay a whole heck of a lot for the install...maybe 150 bucks or so...but i dont know if even that will insure a proper job.

i have the 200 still...so i suppose i could just rip it apart to get the basics of it like u said. does the damper/balancer have to be new or can i get a newer used one? i have ripped apart my old 250 but that was quite awhile ago...i still know the basics though but it was still more of a - break it if it doesnt come off - type thing...and i think it wassomething that connected to the crank that i busted, so it should be fine.

i am planning on removing the head anyways so i can install the rebuilt one.

The best bet is to get the new 250 timing chain, thrust washer and new dowel which pegs the cam in.
the thrust washer and dowel dont come with the 250 timing chain kit?
i just redid the neoprene seal, but the kits not too expensive so i can do it again. I'm looking in the manual and it looks like the oil pump drive can be easily removed with the head off.

so different size keys will offset the cam? what are the advantages/disadvantages to advancing or retarding the cam itself? I'm guessing it has a different effect than advancing or retarding the timing?

thanks for your help.....I think i was too eager to buy the cam and stuff. I need to be told the best order to buy things on a budget or I'll end up buying poinless expensive stuff that i cant use untill i get the cheap stuff...

would it be best to buy the parts such as the new timing chain and gaskets and all that other small stuff first with this new cheque and then buy the cam and all that later when i know that the cam is all i need?
 
The engine was on the bench, with its head off for sure!

The total time is about 5 hours in a car for a good operater. Radiator, ancillary drive, cleaning the parts, inspection of the existing pieces. Even if you are able to remove the lifters without removing the head, there are losts of details. The factory manuals define the operations, the rest is all up to thorouglky good planing. The rest of the time is the 30 minute, 2500 rpm break in phase, and a check for vapour lock. The engine tune will be off, and then there is more time spent.

If you have the right parts, it is a cinch! If you miss something, your in deap strife.
 
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