Did I get shafted on these mounts?

R

RacnJsn95

New member
Putting a 250 in a 69 Mustang, starting from scratch. Had no engine mounts, or frame mounts. I bought what I was told is the correct mount for 67-69 for a 250... Guy has about 20 Stangs in his back yard, is a reputable mustang guy, but idk about these mounts after reading... I didn't know the 250 mounts were so hard to come by...

The mounts I bought look like this :
4fe5_1.JPG


Are they right for my application? Does anyone know where/if I can get the right engine mounts?
 
looks like the correct frame mounts, now you just need the rubber mounts that bolt to the block

edit: should be able to get those at your local autozone, i know i used to be able to
 
not sure if they're correct for a 250 or for a '69
however, they do look like the correct mounts for an inline six

there should be a part number or two on them somewhere, can you see it?
 
The 250 was not available in any Mustang prior to '69 so if the label is correct those are for a '65-68 Mustang and are NOT for a 250. When I get home I can get you the part numbers off of real '69 250 frame and motor mounts (I've got a set in the shop), my new step-dad pulled a 250/3.03 out of his '69 in favor of a 289/4spd :roll: they live in Oregon so the only parts I was sure to get were the mounts, someday I'll use them in my '67 Mustang.

-ron
 
I knew I had this on here somewhere.. thank goodness for the search function..The mounts you bought are definately NOT 250 mounts.

I originally posted this on the thread titled Fitting the 250
'69 Mustang
C9ZA-6037-B (frame mount)
C9OA-6038-D (mount)
C9OZ-6038-B (also on mount)
69_mounts.jpg


-ron
 
Those are standard 6 cylinder mounts for a 200, 170 or 144.

Note the part # showing C6Z which is 1966 Mustang 6 cylinder.
 
Some more information:

I have one set of 250 mounts from a 1975 Maverick. I checked the bolt pattern and found that the 1968 and earlier spacing is NOT the same as the mounts I have. This also occured for the steering boxes starting in 1969. On first inspection, it appears that the pattern is the same until one places the early type next to it. It is close but no cigar.

It appears that Ford changed both patterns in 1969. If anyone has both types and can reconfirm this, post a thread on this forum.
 
Kukm66 are you saying 68 and earlier frame mounts would not bolt to a 69+ frame?

I pulled one of the mounts off my car, and the p/n starts with C8ZK... so I assume it's a 68...

Well, how much are these mounts that I have worth? Anything? They're super clean, and have all the hardware. I wouldn't mind recouping some of my $75 I spent on them :( I'd rather not try to modify these to work when someone else might need them. Dont know how safe it would be either. I think I should get the correct mounts for maximum clearance because I'm planning a turbo setup and will need all the clearance under the hood I can get.

Thanks for the info guys, very helpful stuff!
 
RacnJsn95":taczpl63 said:
Kukm66 are you saying 68 and earlier frame mounts would not bolt to a 69+ frame?

I pulled one of the mounts off my car, and the p/n starts with C8ZK... so I assume it's a 68...

Well, how much are these mounts that I have worth? Anything? They're super clean, and have all the hardware. I wouldn't mind recouping some of my $75 I spent on them :( I'd rather not try to modify these to work when someone else might need them. Dont know how safe it would be either. I think I should get the correct mounts for maximum clearance because I'm planning a turbo setup and will need all the clearance under the hood I can get.

Thanks for the info guys, very helpful stuff!
Click to expand...

If it's any assistance,

I don't have direct experience with Mustang 250 mounts but the 250 is simply @ 3/4" wider than 170/200 (+ @1-1/2" deck height). Only slight modification was necessary when I used '61 170 engine mounts for a 250 in a '61 Comet.

Hopefully a Forum member can describe how to use the mid 60's 170/200 "angle mounts" you have when installing a 250.

Fal/Com '61 Frame brackets with rubber mount - bracket studs relocated @ 3/8" inboard of OEM position on each side:

100_7295.jpg


100_6890.jpg
 
I cannot specifically pin down the year of the change but it occurred around 1969.

As I stated, the 1975 250 mounts I purchased do not have the same spacing between the triad of holes as the early 6 cylinder type you have. I have both types at home and they differ by a 1/4" or so.

That is why I request for someone else on the forum to check any mounts they have to find out exactly which year the change occurred.

Here are some measurements of the mounts I have. All measurements are center to center from the mounting holes to the frame.

D5 mounts - Maverick

2.5" 2" 1.5"


C2DA/ C6ZA mounts - Falcon / Mustang

2.25" 2.25" 1.5"

Notice that the tringle formed is isosceles for the 200 mounts and scalene for the Maverick type, not to mention the spacing is not even close.

Will dropped a 250 in his 63 Falcon and I think he just slotted his stock engine mounting hole to accept the 250. Keep in mind the 250 engine is wider.

We tried to use the 200 mounts in Mike's 1969 Mustang project car and they would not work. Mike eventually bought a set o 69 Mustang 250 mounts to drop in the 250.

Have you tried to bolt up the mounts you have to the frame yet?
 
I have had them on the car already, they bolted up fine. I took the one side off the get the part # off of it... I thought I had some Mavrick 250 mounts, but I can't seem to find them. I'll search around, maybe I can come up with something.
 
There is definately a difference between Maverick and Granada frame mounts from the 70's but I think all '60s Mustangs have the same holes in the frames. Some people have used those frame brackets with 'stock' motor mounts. The trick as I understand it is to redrill the holes in the motor mount bracket where it bolts to the motor UP 1/2 inch so the motor will sit down 1/2" then leave the frame mount bolts/nuts loose while you drop in the motor and not until after the motor is in the car do you tighten up all the bolts. I have never done this...

-ron
 
I have the same exact mounts with the rubber mounts that I picked up at a local JY off a maverick frame. Not sure what year it was, it was 4-5 years ago. Was going to use them when i put the 250 in the comet, but I slotted the 170 mounta instead and bought new rubber.
 
Link didn't copy directly. I'll just copy it directly in his words:

This one is really easy. If you drive a Ford you probably know that Ford motor mounts are made out of clay. The worst way to fix a broken motor mount is to buy a new one and replace it. All you need to do is jack up the motor, remove the mount, drill a hole through it, stick a bolt in the hole, tighten it down, and stick the mount back in the car. It takes ten minutes tops. It's free if you have a bolt laying around (who doesn't). Best of all it works. Even if your motor mount isn't broken bolt it anyway because it will break if you drive your car.
 
That statement amuses me. I have some 40 yr old motor mounts sitting in my shop right now, still in 1 piece. Also aftermarket motor mounts are not made by Ford, therefore it would not be Ford making them out of clay, it would be some other entity, Anchor or Motormite, for example. I've driven both blue oval and bowtie cars with broken motor mounts. I've heard the suggestion for 'bolting' motor mounts before, it's normally kept in tech sections where they tell you about running short lengths of chain between your motor and frame to control engine twist.

-ron
 
Some good info, but I'm not really sure what I need to do short of finding some 250 mounts, or making my own...

For instance, if I were to slot the 200 frame mounts, would I just buy some 200 motor mounts and that would work?
 
RacnJsn95":2ni7qxlf said:
Some good info, but I'm not really sure what I need to do short of finding some 250 mounts, or making my own...

For instance, if I were to slot the 200 frame mounts, would I just buy some 200 motor mounts and that would work?
Click to expand...

That's basically what's been done, A little mod to compatible mounts and it should fit. Each side needs to be made a little wider (@ 3/8 +/-).

AS far as bolting the mounts. The OEM rubber mounts, are not spec'd for 200 cubes of performance torque let alone 250 + . "Pinning" or limiting travel of the mounts might be advisable :

The current early 60-61 mounts most vendors have are from Thailand. I wonder if they're hiding old Falcons there ?.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

TrickSix
All Small Six 1101 Mounting Gasket Source?
Replies
3
Views
318
TrickSix
TrickSix
awasson
All Small Six New Adventures in electrics fans and inline 6’s
2
Replies
22
Views
2K
F-250 Restorer
F
B
All Small Six Latest from Bubba for Mustang owners
Replies
1
Views
1K
philford
philford
M
200ci I put a 200CID engine in my '73 Mercury Marquis
2 3
Replies
42
Views
8K
karkev
K
D
All Small Six Holley 1940 jetting on 170?
Replies
0
Views
1K
Dunk
D
Back
Top