Dynamometer Experienced Engineeers

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I'm a mechanical engineer looking for someone to talk to about engine dynamometers. If there is anyone here familar with the workings of engine dynos and would like to give me some advice about some engine test equipment I can pick up at an auction.

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Mark
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I work for a company doing reaseach and developemnet of NG fueled vehicles , we have 2 operational engine dynos, 1 non operational, and 1 non installed as yet chassis dyno, I am faamilular with all of them and may be able to help.
A7M
 
I've ripped apart dyno diagrams, decided they all have negatives, and am building one myself! Ultimately, the process is to practice Watts test for Horse drawn power, and never forget that you are replicating a tractor pulling sesion, not a sprint race.

The basic platform is this

http://www.steamengine.com.au/misc/horsepower/


Back to the real world

See at once http://www.allstates.com/dynomometers.html


Do an image search in google, and use both

Engine Dynometer

and Engine dynamometer.


Go through all 16 pages of images, and make notes.


A few of my thoughts. I'm not a practioner, unlike A7M, or some of the guys here like The Frenchtown Flyer, Mark P, etc, so take it all with a grain of salt.


Cheapest good stuff in Australia was Dave Bennets Go-Power Stone Bennett dynometer, a simple device made in the early 60's. Most other systems are marketing ploys, in my opinion. Taylors are one of the better heavy duty units of varying types. They seam to have a back-up. Super Flows look like a good peak power device, and it has lots of scope for a dyno cell and is the too for repeatibile peak power.

You need to discover what system suits you best.

You need to know what you are aiming for before you buy a thing. However, a dynometer is a sure fire way to make money if it can unlock inforamtion on transitiona drivability, and the spin-off of that should be the abilty to get the numbers on peak hp.

People are looking for drivability and a good BSFC curve, area under the curve torque, not peak power. Market boffins are looking for peak power. It is foolish just to get a dynometer with no flywheel becasue it only focuses in on peak load conditions, not transitional charecteristics. Companies are focusing so much on driveabilty these days, and some of the staber controls are very well aranged to control all the inputs

The set-ups I like are the US Taylors Dynometers, which are used by Ford Australia for outback testing to simulate grades and speeds up to 150 mph while sitting at 70 mph.

Superflo dynometers or dyno cells are just fine, but they all must allow basic loads in rpm each second to be controlled, and to allow situations like detonation on over-run to be expolered. This is the most critical component of the ability to deliver economy. I've seen engineers rabbit on about how propane is fine under load with heaps of advance, but then behave like a lean fired blowtorch when on over run. Dynometers with counter wieghts which allow coefficent of drag x frontal Area, road to tire friction, trans and diff loses, torque multiplication, and brake specific fuel economy to be run are better candiates.

In addition, the power absorbtion can only be controlled with heat control and /or correct volatage, physical inertia or some force by air, water and resistance measurement. Some dynos require over 100 US gallons of water per minute just to cool 500 flywheel horsepower. Some have heat exchangers with water recirculation, others have eddy current generators, and take a huge amount of cooling.

Some roller configurations are poorly designed, but have lots of flywheel weight. There are pluses and miniuses.


One other thing. Most attention is being leveled at pulsed fuel delivery (the method of making an EFI engine behave like an independant runner multi Weber set up) and ignition. An engine must be mapped to its transmission combination. An example is when you put an automatic transmission behind an engine mapped for a manual. The car invariably knocks its head off. People bad-mouth inertia dynometers, but it is certainly the best way to optimise and ignition system.

Larry Perkins, famed Aussie race engineer and touring car driver, said it best. I don't care if it makes 462 or 460 hp. If it makes 460 hp at 6500 rpm, then its better than 462 hp at 6900 rpm.
 
The dyno equipment I’m looking at is at an auction and they have various sizes of eddy current, Midwest dynamometers. They also have some Digalog control units. I have a 2000 sq. ft shop which I do my car work. This is not my real job, but I want it to be a backup in case I lose my “realâ€￾ job. I build an engine occasionally and I also restore classic Mustangs. Would I be insane to consider buying some of this dyno equipment if I wanted to use it to experiment on some different engine combos? All I really want is some basic torque/hp curves. Would power requirements and cooling for the eddy current dynamometers be way out of my league for a small shop? Along with being an engineer I have machine shop and metal fabrication skills. I can get some pictures and models numbers if someone is familiar with the types of equipment I listed above. I’m having trouble passing this up if I can get the stuff very cheap. At least I could resell the stuff if nothing else. Feel free to email me directly at mnm3693234@yahoo.com.

Thanks
Mark
 
More and more small shops are getting into offering tuning services these days- but many of them don't formulate how they're going to have the dyno pay for itself or even turn a profit. Unfortunately, many of them aren't really good at tuning! I had to go help a local shop that dropped $30K on a Mustang RD, but was too cheap to send their techs to a $400 DFI class.

Unless you have the extra $$, and plan on doing this full time as a living, I wouldn't reccomend it. Dyno tuning should be something you do full time, or have someone do for your shop. The only way to get good is to do it all the time- period. Have you identified a market for your services?

Besides the cost of the dyno, you're looking at thousands in tuning software for various ECMs / PCMs, several wideband O2s for backups (at 300+ each), cooling requirements, etc. I'd seriously consider how you'd make this fit into your 'secondary' carrer plans.

PS- I just noticed that you're in Houston; you'd be competing against several dyno shops, particularly MTI. They're real big in the Fbod & Stang circles.
 
HELLO EVERYONE


.....IN CALIF. WE HAVE A DYNO FOR ALL OUR SMOG CHECKS NOW. THE CAR IS TESTED WITH THE TRANNY SHIFTING THE WHOLE NINE YARDS. THE HORSE POWER RATING PART IS LEFT OFF.


.....THEY'RE SELLING THEM TO EVERY ONE WHO DOES SMOG. MAYBE THEY WILL ADD BRAKE H.P. TESTING TO OUR SMOG NEXT...!!!

LOTS OF LUCK....LOL

LIVE IN GRACE

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