FSPP Aluminum Head Update

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Well, I guess patience is a virtue. I spoke with my design engineer today and was very please with what he had to say. It took me a couple years to find the right person to design the head, and several more months for him to actually get started once the cash retainer was paid. At that time, I gave him a set of parameters to work within and the goals we wanted to achieve. I've stated them in the past, but will do so once more for the new members. I don't understand this stuff to much, but will explain it the best I can, based on what he told me.

My main concerns (or parameters): First, the new head needed to utilize existing exhaust port patterns (no need for new header designs). Next, was to eliminate the need for a port divider. And lastly, I wanted to maintain the stock OZ250-2V intake pattern, so the head would accept the existing OZ intakes, including the 2V, the triple SU, and triple Webber manifolds. I also asked for him to design a new 4V intake to suit.

The goals: Simply put, increase midrange performance as much as possible. Mid range because we want this head to perform best as a street head for daily street/strip usage. We also wanted to see improvements in the lower and upper ranges, and maximum efficiency in the chamber design. Not knowing the wet distribution pattern of the OZ head, we were not sure if any gains would be possible. Only wet testing the OZ head would yield the answer.

We started by flow testing the OZ-2V head, both wet and dry to find it's strengths and weaknesses. While the dry flow (CFM) far exceeds the US log heads on the intake side, the exhaust flow is similar, or only marginally better. The chamber efficiency is about the same for both, as the wet distribution pattern (WDP) is about fifty percent. Basically, when the fuel/air mixture enters the chamber, it flows off to one side and only fills half (or less) of the chamber, resulting in loss of power. It too, like the US log heads, requires a large amount of total ignition advance to efficiently burn the fuel/air mixture completely, during the power stoke. The more total advance required, the more power it robs. The overall goal is to reduce total advance as much as possible and gain as much CFM as possible. :wink:

The next step was to redesign the chamber and intake ports to obtain the best possible wet distribution pattern. This is the most crucial step when designing a new head, CFM is secondary. It doesn't do much good to increase flow, if the fuel/air mixture isn't distributed efficiently across the piston surface, and total ignition timing remains unchanged. Our goal was to increase WDP to at least 80% if possible. This is made possible by modifying and reshaping the port and chamber, increasing intake velocity, eliminating dead spots, manipulating swirl patterns, and playing with various valve combinations. While there are other means of doing so, like chamber styles, additional valves, valve placement, etc, these parameters were not possible to apply in our given design limitations. .

I'm not quite sure what he did, but after speaking with him today, I am confident I hired the right person as he is extremely good at what he does. The new designs were wet flowed last night and to my surprise exceeded our goal, as the new chambers achieved 100% distribution. This means the entire chamber is receiving the fuel/air mixture across the entire piston surface, which is of course, outstanding. This alone translates into huge power gains over the OZ head in all three ranges (low, mid, and upper). While we are not sure yet, he thinks total ignition timing will be reduced by as much as 10 degrees, or more.

Next he flow tested the new intake ports. I'm not ready to release the info yet (CFM rates), but will say the new ports out flowed the old designs across the board, with the largest gains at 300 and 400, and ample gains at 500 to 600. In other words, the new head is going to be a beast, when compared to the OZ250-2V, and incomparable to the US log head.

Our next step, which begins next week, is to see what gains can be made to the exhaust ports. I can't wait to see what he comes up with. If it's anything close to what he did with the intakes and the chambers, we may not need a second design (Crossflow). :wink:
 
The stock exhast ports are able to be improved a lot. The hump, or 120 degree rolloever to the header is pretty bad, but don't high port them or change the existing flange. By all means, fill out the port area more, by filling out the margin of the casting to the head. That way, you can run huge exhast ports wild still running the stock exhast headers ands manifilds. The real issue isn't making a brillant exhast port by changi9ng stud patterns. There is a minor issue on the closeness of the header flange to the existing head gasket. Some 2v head conversions hang up on the block if they have been milled. RickSmol or Jimbo 65 had problems. A good thick head surface which keeps the header flange away from fouling the block would be a good idea. You could then leave the head at 62 ccs for a stock engine, but have thickness for lopping off 120 thou, and having a 42 cc chamber for 11.6:1 manics like Mustang Geezer.... :wink:

Bascially, 20 million 144/170/188/200/221/250 engines with the stock log head had a stock exhast gasket flange already. Rework the stock exhast ports as best you can, and don't mess up a huge market for an extra 5% exhast flow which can only be accessed by yet another cam profile. All you have to do is balnce ehxast flow from 65 to 80% of the intake flow.

We don't need another deviation from the existing 2V or log head, becasue some of the best work has been done on preparing excellent exhast systems. Hooker, Clifford, Packmarker, FSPP systems work brilliantly, and the various cam suppliers have designed them around the likely exhast flows. If you go to a better exhast system, the need for split pattern cams which you have invested in will be reduced.

There were only about 12 000 Aussie 2V engines made, best estimate.


Over the the 1967 top 1995 run of the SP and ME engines, there wouldn't have been any more than 100 000 made, best estimate, and all are in South America, and are quite different to the other engines. A good ME or SP head has the best exhast ports around. What is needed is the right cam profiles to balance the best intake flows. Clay Smith has done that.

The Argie head has a dedicated iron dual brank exhast, or a tube header, and it has a vertical flange which is so different to our log heads and 2V's. It flows well, but is inferior on the intake port side in flow volume and cfm compared to the 2V head.


Your choice is simple. Make a 2V head with either the stock log exhast flange, or the Argie exhast flange. If you do make a hybrid design with a 2v intake on a ME or SP exhast, then for heavens sake make sure there are some factory style Argie turbo, tube or cast headers, or we will have to face another 3 year wait for tooling up for better exhasts.

Simple rule is that an engineer must make the stock port arrangements work like a swiss watch. Ensure your customers can upgrade using there existing components.
 
You didn't mention the low lift flow numbers. These are very important. Not trying to critisize just pointing out something I feel is important.

It sounds like you are heading in the right direction. I can't wait for the results.
 
I.....want.....1.....or......6..... I found someone who isnt very engine smart and was looking at the forums and I Was telling him how he could go about doing what he wants... but he wanted 500 hp without a head and didnt want to do this or that.. and he just bought a 5.0 and said he was "throwing away" the 6.... so I am going to buy/him give it to me.... so I can do what I want to it and make something better which could be fun... :twisted:
 
You didn't mention the low lift flow numbers.
There was some improvement at 100 (but marginal), and nice gains at 200. At 300, it jumps way up, and keeps doing so at 400. At 500 and 600, it drops back down, but is still an ample gain. Our goal was more towards velocity to improve the WDP, not CFM. What amazes me, is the fact that the ports are actually smaller then the OZ ports (for more velocity), yet flow much better. As they say, bigger is not always better. :) This is also the reason for designing an intake from scratch. It must match the requirements of the new ports, for the best gains.

All you have to do is balance ehxast flow from 65 to 80% of the intake flow.
Our goal is 65%, as we seriously doubt we can reach 80% with the design limitations. To do so would require raising the port flanges, which is imposible while maintaining the stock pattern for both the intake and exhaust flanges. Even 65% is going to take some work, but should be doable, possibly more. I'd like to see it around 70-75%.

What is needed is the right cam profiles to balance the best intake flows. Clay Smith has done that.
Clay Smith has done a great job, and they continue to support our endeavors by producing new products. Right now, we are looking into roller cams. The biggest hurdle is, none of the existing cam core manufaturers produce a core suitable for a roller cam. But Clay Smith is talking to one of the suppliers and seeing what they can do to make them a reality. Maybe, maybe not??? The next step would be a custom lifter, but that is very doable.

Make a 2V head with either the stock log exhast flange, or the Argie exhast flange.
Ensure your customers can upgrade using there existing components.
As stated above, we will be maintaining the stock US/OZ exhaust flange pattern. We have no intention of producing something similar to the AR flange as this requires all new header designs. When we go that route, it will be with a completely new head design (crossflow). By moving the intake ports to the opposite side, we open up a whole new realm of exhaust port (and chamber) designs. Only then will we look at producing new exhaust patterns. It only makes sense, why go to all the trouble of producing new header designs, yet limit the exhaust port options by leaving the intake flange on the same side. :wink:

In our testing, we discovered one other thing. Putting in larger valves did nothing to improve high range CFM, athough it did help mid range by 4CFM. Where the benifit comes into play is in the WDP. The larger valve increased the WFD to 60% in the stock chamber. We also found it helped in the new chambers. Even though the distribution is at 100%, it is still a bit uneven. The larger valve assited in balancing it out. We may go as large as 1.85 in the new head, but we need to work on the exhaust port first. Once we have the exhaust ports nailed down, we will go back to the wet bench and play with the valve combinations to optimize the WDP.

After going though all this, it has become very clear why it was so important to do all the work that we have done (and still to be done). Especially the wet flow and swirl testing. We had the option of simply re-popping the stock OZ head, but I felt it was crucial to take it to the next level and spend the money required to do so. Hopefully you will all agree. I've heard that there are other companies out there looking at re-poping the OZ head in aluminum, but seriously doubt they will go to all the effort we have extended in this project. Re-poping an existing design in aluminum is benefcial. But merely changing the port and/or chamber designs with out the reseach, is merely a gamble on the products end result, at your expense.

When we are ready to market the new head, we will provide all of the information you need to do a comparison to the current heads being produced. Nothing will be held back, we don't believe in hidding the information. We want you to know the facts, all of them, not just what we see fit to present. Why, simply because we know we will have the best cylinder head on the market. We are even considering some sort of video media to present it to prospective buyers. After all, we want to show off our new motor too. We have built a test engine (273ci) that will blow your socks off. Even now, the dyno runs are amazing, but we can't wait till the day comes when we can coupled it with the new head. Could be, the V8 guys will be swapping to an inline. :D :D More details on it later......... :wink:
 
Sounds AWESOME Mike! I know that you have put a ton of time and up front capital into the project. With what you know now, do you have a better ballpark idea when we can expect to see them start to roll? My only concern is that all the money being poured into the project will drive the price of the finished product out of the range of the majority of the folks here.

By the way, 273ci engine???

Kris
 
My only concern is that all the money being poured into the project will drive the price of the finished product out of the range of the majority of the folks here.

Not really. If we produce an awesome head, we know it will sell, if the price is reasonable. The higher the projected sales, the lower the cost. We are estimating, all said and done, it will be cheaper than a new aluminum Argie head or a rebuilt OZ head. Plus past experience tells me, the sales of related parts (ARP studs, cams, etc) will increase as well, which also helps recoup the investment. As long as you guy continue to support FSPP. :wink:

BTW, I thought of a name for the new FSPP head. "The V-8 Killer" :D :D :D
 
Mike, thats great news to hear. I will be very glad to see the head go into production.

Do you think this head will be available by next summer?? Sure would like to get this log head off my engine. Willaim
 
It will be interesting what improvements the exhaust side does.

If the air can not get out , it is tough to get air in.
 
Mike, I want a Aluminum Valve cover to fit the new Aluminum head with this on it "The V-8 Killer" What you think.....
Bill
 
Our goal was more towards velocity to improve the WDP, not CFM. The ports are actually smaller then the OZ ports. Bigger is not always better. This is also the reason for designing an intake from scratch. It must match the requirements of the new ports, for the best gains.

That says alot. Velocity and quality. Guys, if the exhaust turns out as well as the intake side is looking I think this head will max out a 200 with no need for a cross flow design. 8) I guess you are thinking about big motors also 8)


With this kind of disclosure of details you can't go wrong!!!!!
273ci??? I was thinking about a long rod 200 using a 250 block. The bore to stroke ratio on a 273 with high velocity ports would = a torque monster. :shock:

lksdfjbviuhrtg;uirhtr; Sorry about that I was trying to wipe the drool off the keyboard :lol: You guys have done your homework!!!!!!
 
Mike ... Your da man. I really like your scientific and open approach. This is great. I am sure you realize that what you are doing is exactly the kind of R&D most motor heads dream of doing.
 
Do you think this head will be available by next summer??
It better be. We were shooting for the end of the year, but the design process has taken longer than planned (like every thing else). Now we are shooting for mid to late spring.
It will be interesting what improvements the exhaust side does.
I'm really looking forward to seeing the results. If he can do anything with them, it will be an improvement. The bottom line goal of 65% will work, anything over that will be a BIG PLUS. If he can get them to 80%, I don't think there would be a need to do a second design, but I have my doubts.
I want a Aluminum Valve cover to fit the new Aluminum head with this on it "The V-8 Killer"
I'll see what I can do, maybe some sort of flush mounted badge (mill off the ribs).
I guess you are thinking about big motors also
Already in the works.
I really like your scientific and open approach. This is great. I am sure you realize that what you are doing is exactly the kind of R&D most motor heads dream of doing.
Nothing less than you would expect from FSPP. :lol: :wink:
 
Is the new head going to be able to accept the terra yella roller rockers or is it going to require new rocker arms?
 
Miike,

Great news. This makes me want to go buy Al's coupe just so I can have another 6 cylinder to play with!

Al...if you car is still for sale when this head comes out...hmm...

Slade
 
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