Hemi 265 rods in 250 turbo

Unfalconbelievable

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Well for a cheap rod solution to handle 500hp+ at the crank, I've bought a set of Hemi 265 rods, they are shorter than stock 250 rods and was wondering if anyone knows of a manufacturer of a piston to suit this combo. I want forged and about 7-7.5:1 compression ratio. I was thinking of getting some flat tops to suit that have heaps of meat in the crown and a higher comp and grinding the top to the same shape as the combustion chamber and cc'ing them to get the comp I want with good quench. I'm using an XE falcon 250 EFI head. How many cc's are the chambers, and what is the standard deck hieght of a 250 block (crank centre to head surface) Also is a stock off the shelf T04 good for 15-20 psi on a 4.1:L 6 cyl? I dont know much about turbo's like how to interpret the AR and turbine and impeller sizings, and housings of course. Any help would be much appreciated

THANKS HEAPS Pushrod
 
Lots and lots nad lots of little things mean there are no off the shelf pistons. Frisntance, the Mopar rod is 2.0" at the bearing, 1/8" smaller than the 2.124" of the stock 250 rod.

The 265 Hemi piston pin is 15 thou bigger on the Hemi than the Ford item, but it is also the same as the Chevy small block

Any of the pistons from pin centre line to top of piston need to be 1.66 inches tall with a Chevy wrist pin, and can't be any bigger than 3.74". The stock size 245 pistons are 3.76", but you have to overbore 80 thou and find a set of brand new 245 pistons. They are too tall at 1.77".

Perhaps the best option is the 253 Holden piston is 3.685" in +60. It is 1.75" tall. If you hone a mint stock block 250 out 5 thou, and add a 62.5 thou turbo head gasket and two 41 thou thick ACL gaskets, you could run either the 253 or 245 pistons without having them hit the head.

There are various Subaru 2.5, Chrylser Voyager 3.3 and even some odd ball Y-Block items around. Samll block Chevy ones are not easy swaps either.

Summary is look at these


200-221-250 Aussie Falcon 3.68" bore, comp height 1.535"
245 Hemi 3.76" bore, almost too big, comp height 1.77, almost too tall
253 Holden 3.625" bore, +60 okay, comp height 1.75, almost too tall
265 Hemi 3.91" bore, too big, compression height 1.77, too tall
400 Chevy 4.125" bore, too big, compression height 1.531, too shallow
350 Chevy 4.000" bore, too big, compression height 1.531, too shallow
327 Chevy 4.000" bore, too big, compression height 1.675, perfect
307 Chevy 3.875" bore, too big, compression height 1.675, perfect
305 Chevy 3.736" bore, perfect, compression height 1.531, too shallow
302 Chevy 4.000" bore, too big, compression height 1.800, too tall
283 Chevy 3.875" bore, too big, compression height 1.800, too shallow
267 Chevy 3.500" bore, too small, compression height 1.531, too shallow
265 Chevy 3.750" bore, too big, compression height 1.800, too tall
262 Chevy 3.670" bore, oversize okay, compression height 1.75, too tall
 
Unfalconbelievable":dpc08kku said:
Also is a stock off the shelf T04 good for 15-20 psi on a 4.1:L 6 cyl?

Impossible to answer,

FIRST, we must know what "trim" the compressor and turbine each are. You can get pretty close by measuring each "wheel", both the small part and the large part. That will get you more information.

There are literally 100's of TO4 and TO4B combos out there, you are just not supplying enough info. See my sig, and read my thread for some more help.
 
The 265 rods are from a friend and can be returned if its not a cost effective method of strengthining the bottom end.
How much torque and RPM can standard 250 rods handle with a full prep? Shot peen, linished and magnafluxed? I've read posts of 300RWKW on preped standard rods, I thought they didnt like much over 400 crank hp!!???! Or on quick inspection my 302 Cleveland rods look similar, are they stronger?

Also on the turbo side thats where i need help!!!!! I knoiw nothing realy, I would like 450-500hp at the flywheel but my main aim is torque, and heaps of it. I was thinking peak RPM of 5500 and would like to think full boost of 15psi by 3500RPM, would this combo be good for that sort of HP or do i need more revs? What turbos are everyone else using, all the ones I have looked at are 200's not 250's. Can anyone sugest an A.R, turbine wheel and housing sizes and compressor wheel and housing sizes?
When it come to turbo's I dont know alot


THANKS ALL
 
700 flywheel hp is possible with standard rods, but for how long?

Mike Vine and AIT felt 350 hp was about all the stock internals could handle before lots of other preperatory work was needed. I think that was forged pistons. In formation from Modern Motor articles from 1983 to 1985.

Ford upgraded the 250 rods a little for the EA, but its basically the same rod. (Street Machine, 1988, where the first blue aftermarket Falcon EA Turbo was discussed at length. The owner said the OHC 3.9 engine is just 250 crank and rods with "everything else different"


From that article, there was an unpublicised but certainly proposed factory AIT designed EA Falcon Turbo. Called off on the 11 th hour. Got killed off before it hit the streets for some reason within Ford Australia. A few aftermarket kits were made by Bensons and Mike Vine using the proposed factory set-up. Possibly Ford worried over money and durability like any prudent Aussie company. There is little doubt the 3.9 Turbo would have blown BW auto's and T5's into Kingdom come.

Any way, the 400 hp limit comes from Brisbane's D i c k Johnston who experimented with a Group A engine with a Japanese turbo supplier in 1985. That died off too. Ford again. In formation I got was from Modern Motor interview with DJ in Jan 1986.
 
Yeah I pop up here and there. :)

OK, so you've got 5.88-inch rod as stock in the 250 and the hemi uses a 5.75 inch rod. which leaves a .13-inch difference.

Compression nhight on a hemi piston is 1.69 while the Ford 250 piston is 1.53, which equals a 0.16-inch difference.

now 0.030-inch or 30-thou ain't much so your main concern would be boring the 250 80-thou for a stock 245 piston. Now I know most hemi's will handle this OK but I'm not sure a 250 will do it easily.

Probably the best way about it would be to get custom pistons made up.
 
Unfalconbelievable":1rq7kzwl said:
Can anyone sugest an A.R, turbine wheel and housing sizes and compressor wheel and housing sizes?
When it come to turbo's I dont know alot

I posted a compressor map for your 57 trim in your other thread, if you need help reading it let me know.

What size turbine wheel does the exhaust side have in it?
 
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