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He said they were coming out with the cast aluminum head early next year. Is he pipe dreaming or is he going to do it?
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RichardEParson":1d961yy4 said:
Last year they said that they would be coming out with it early this year....
Dont know if its a pipe dream or not...no one knows any specifics about it or when they are going to actually start production let alone taking orders on it?
My own opinion is its a pipe dream
But who knows??
Later,
Doug
Maybe if enough of us keep asking, they'll make good on the dream?
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I seriously dont believe them about this head they claim to have or are making. and if they have it i would think it would cost to much to make and sell. Its my understanding that with this new head he is making the intake will be on the drivers side.. When i order my cam he said the only trouble he has got to over come is the placement of the distribitor. anyhow as you can tell im not to happy with clifford anymore (as it took 6 and a half months to get a set of headers) but thats me.
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If Clifford is gonna make you go through all that and cost well over $1000 for a aluminum head, The Oz X-flow on a US block is looking better and better.
If Clifford is gonna make you go through all that and cost well over $1000 for a aluminum head, The Oz X-flow on a US block is looking better and better.
Anlushac11":1ud97xzx said:
Except that I continue to run into issues. This distributor clearance thing is really a hassle and is causing a lot of compromises in the intake.
If there were a $1000 aluminum bolt-on head out there, I'd buy one. But I think it will probably be closer to $3000 or more.
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its like the movie "money pit"...two weeks
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Have you considered a distributorless set-up? Not sure how to run it, but the knowledge is out there. EDS makes one, don't they?
Would need a crank trigger, and maybe some other stuff, but it would solve the dizzy interference problem, yes?
just tossing out ideas
--mikey
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When I talked to the guy he mentioned it like it was a sure deal. My problem was he was making it a selling point for his other stuff. It was like, "well, go ahead and we'll build you this motor and later on we can put the new cylinder head on and an EFI unit. I understand these motors can make good power but I didn't see any dyno numbers on the website. I want to build a six, but I am wary of anyone who makes claims without dyno results. If the are numbers I must have missed them. As far the 240-300 block is concerned his theory is off. 4in. bore by 3.92 stroke is a very balanced engine. I see no need to build for peak torque rather than peak horsepower. You can build for both and sacrifice neither. Hmmm... BMW has a L6 2.8 putting out 333 peak horsepower. A 300 should be higher even if it's a pushrod. I know that is a oranges and apples comparison but cubic inches are cubic inches. 1 1/2 hp per cube should be feasible without any driveabilty problems. That head must really suck to put out only 200 hp stock.
A mild crossflow like the one in my Mustang easily makes 200hp carbed or EFI. That's a very mild motor. A naturally aspirated 250 Crossflow could make 250-275 without too much effort.
Frankly, I think the 240 is the overlooked sleeper engine. 4.00x3.13, long rods, good head. It should be able to easily make 250hp with 300 not out of reach.
I'm working on a DIS now to replace the distributor.
Frankly, I think the 240 is the overlooked sleeper engine. 4.00x3.13, long rods, good head. It should be able to easily make 250hp with 300 not out of reach.
I'm working on a DIS now to replace the distributor.
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Looking at this objectively, a set of V8 aluminum heads cost around $900-1300 depending on brand, assembly, etc...
1. The I6 market seems to be significantly smaller than the V8 market.
2. The actual part will be radically different than the production part compared to a V8 cylinder head, thus more engineering costs. Changing to a cross flow design.
3. A new intake manifold will also be required, additional engineering costs.
4. The Ford I6 engine has been out of production for 20 years in the U.S.
The I6 head, if ever produced will probably cost over $3000 due to the aforementioned reasons. Boiled down its a limited market, the technical issues are daunting, and it may have to be an all inclusive kit... you buy a head, but it will come with a cam, intake, carb, etc... so the parts can work together effectively.
It is probably unobtainium..
1. The I6 market seems to be significantly smaller than the V8 market.
2. The actual part will be radically different than the production part compared to a V8 cylinder head, thus more engineering costs. Changing to a cross flow design.
3. A new intake manifold will also be required, additional engineering costs.
4. The Ford I6 engine has been out of production for 20 years in the U.S.
The I6 head, if ever produced will probably cost over $3000 due to the aforementioned reasons. Boiled down its a limited market, the technical issues are daunting, and it may have to be an all inclusive kit... you buy a head, but it will come with a cam, intake, carb, etc... so the parts can work together effectively.
It is probably unobtainium..
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its actually listed on their parts page
Clifford Blueprinted Cyl. Head
88-0500
200-250Â Blueprinted Cylinder Head
$1,095.00
http://www.cliffordperformance.com/Site04/Home.htm
this mean we can order it?
Clifford Blueprinted Cyl. Head
88-0500
200-250Â Blueprinted Cylinder Head
$1,095.00
http://www.cliffordperformance.com/Site04/Home.htm
this mean we can order it?
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Ummh, I think that is a modded log head, but give 'em a call to find out for sure. 
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"Blueprinted Cylinder Head. Engineer Jack Clifford designed the Ford 200-250 cylinder head to flow on the street or strip. I will give you a hint of how he won his world championships. Jack knew what valves, cam and how to tune to win. If you ask any drag racer who they prepared to win, they will tell you that the right carb, cam and tuning was the key. This Cylinder head is his master piece and we are proud to be able to have it availiable for your machine."
The above taken verbatim from Cliffords website. Isn't Jack deceased? That's like Ford advertising an 06 cobra designed by Shelby himself.
You know if you have to ask the question in the previous post above (does this mean we can order it?) then it's probably not a good idea to fart around with them. I have not heard one good thing about clifford. Mind you everything I have heard has come out of this forum but when every opinion is negative it's hard to go out on a limb and give them a chance. If the website is any indication of their service I'm staying away.
The above taken verbatim from Cliffords website. Isn't Jack deceased? That's like Ford advertising an 06 cobra designed by Shelby himself.
You know if you have to ask the question in the previous post above (does this mean we can order it?) then it's probably not a good idea to fart around with them. I have not heard one good thing about clifford. Mind you everything I have heard has come out of this forum but when every opinion is negative it's hard to go out on a limb and give them a chance. If the website is any indication of their service I'm staying away.
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it was sarcasm...
it looks like it is listed on their site...but prolly not available.
I wouldnt order it anyway...I am well aware of clifford
chaz
it looks like it is listed on their site...but prolly not available.
I wouldnt order it anyway...I am well aware of clifford
chaz
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I ordered headers from Clifford before I started frequenting this forum. I am not really pleased with the quality but the fit is fine and I recieved the parts promptly.
I guess I should enunciate what I mean when I say I am not pleased with the quality. The holes for the exhaust ports are shabbily finished. The chamfer on them is not even. They look like they were rough-cut with a bandsaw and then someone took a zizz wheel to them to grind the edges real quick. It's all covered up with the headers installed but I know it would flow better if it had a nice finish.
The second complaint I have is that the flat black ceramic coating that I though would look so good is now rusting in spots, which is NOT what I intended. Getting them for $327 ceramic coated and shipped seemed like a good deal but now I see that the part wasn't really that high of quality. I am kinda hoping that they rust through so I can get another set or just plain return mine and get some FSPP ones. From the detailed pictures on the FSPP site it looks like they have much superior quality to Clifford.
-Dan in Atlanta
I guess I should enunciate what I mean when I say I am not pleased with the quality. The holes for the exhaust ports are shabbily finished. The chamfer on them is not even. They look like they were rough-cut with a bandsaw and then someone took a zizz wheel to them to grind the edges real quick. It's all covered up with the headers installed but I know it would flow better if it had a nice finish.
The second complaint I have is that the flat black ceramic coating that I though would look so good is now rusting in spots, which is NOT what I intended. Getting them for $327 ceramic coated and shipped seemed like a good deal but now I see that the part wasn't really that high of quality. I am kinda hoping that they rust through so I can get another set or just plain return mine and get some FSPP ones. From the detailed pictures on the FSPP site it looks like they have much superior quality to Clifford.
-Dan in Atlanta
Y don't you just have them jet coated and keep them. it would be cheaper that letting them rust and buying new ones. the pacemaker that mike sells are very good quality and fit very nicely. I have had a few people comment on them saying how much they liked them.
also that flat black (if it is from clifford that way) is not ceramic coating. it is just paint!!
John
also that flat black (if it is from clifford that way) is not ceramic coating. it is just paint!!
John
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