Larger oil filter

[Bobs68]

Sorry I've tried the search function but I still can't find the part number for the larger filter on the 200 six. Does anyone have the part number?

Thanks,

 

[CZLN6]

HOwdy Bob:

One we've used is a Fram FL-299. I'm sure that other brands offer them too. Good luck.

Adios, David

 

[80broncoman]

Napa's number for it is 1715
And the Motorcraft number is FL-299

 

[JackFish]

wix 51773

 

[MPGmustang]

so what's the advantage of a larger oil filter? last longer?

 

[wsa111]

Obvious, larger oil capacity, 5 ot. oil change instead of 4.5 ot's. More filter area, oil will run cooler.

Purolator L40017 is very inexpensive. Bill

 

[Bobs68]

Thanks guys. Does Rotella still have ZDDP or should I go with one of the oils for diesel engines?

 

[jamyers]

Wow, all these years I thought the FL-1A was a big filter...learned something new today!!!

From Summit Racing's website:

Motorcraft FL299 ($9.95)
Height (in) 6.982 in.
Outside Diameter (in) 3.633 in.
Filter Bypass Relief Valve No
Anti-Drainback Valve No
Thread Size 3/4-16 in.
Gasket Outside Diameter (in) 2.834 in.
Gasket Inside Diameter (in) 2.462 in.
Gasket Thickness (in) 0.200 in.

Motorcraft FL1A
Height (in) 5.190 in.
Outside Diameter (in) 3.780 in.
Filter Bypass Relief Valve Yes
Relief Valve Open (psi) 11-14 psi
Anti-Drainback Valve Yes
Thread Size 3/4-16 in.
Gasket Outside Diameter (in) 2.800 in.
Gasket Inside Diameter (in) 2.422 in.
Gasket Thickness (in) 0.203 in.

I'm concerned that the FL-299 doesn't have an anti-drainback valve. Do other brands have one, or are Ford Six filters at enough of an angle to keep full when the engine is off? I know that's a real concern on some engines, like Buicks with their filters that basically lay on their sides - without a good anti-drainback valve, you get 5-10 seconds of no oil pressure on startup (which is one reason I quit using Fram filters several years ago, their valves are cr@p.)

 

[80broncoman]

Wow, all these years I thought the FL-1A was a big filter...learned something new today!!!

From Summit Racing's website:

....
I'm concerned that the FL-299 doesn't have an anti-drainback valve. Do other brands have one, or are Ford Six filters at enough of an angle to keep full when the engine is off? I know that's a real concern on some engines, like Buicks with their filters that basically lay on their sides - without a good anti-drainback valve, you get 5-10 seconds of no oil pressure on startup (which is one reason I quit using Fram filters several years ago, their valves are cr@p.)

I'm not sure I'd trust that coming from summit's website. THe FL-299 was factory on 370-429 in LARGER ford trucks.
I'd look into your concerns more indepth.
I'd check with the wix website and see what thier equivlants show.

 

[bubba22349]

I'm concerned that the FL-299 doesn't have an anti-drainback valve.

Your right to be concerned, it is going to cause wear to the engine (a dry start). Rod and main bearings mainly if you use any oil filter without an anti-drainback valve on the Ford sixes and many V8's. To be sure it's better to check the spec's on the Motorcraft site

 

[thesameguy]

Thanks guys. Does Rotella still have ZDDP or should I go with one of the oils for diesel engines?

Depends on which Rotella you buy.

I've been using Mobil 1 10w40, since it's a good choice in my Saab and Audi and has a high ZDDP level. That's three cars and one oil. Win.

 

[jamyers]

...I'd check with the wix website and see what thier equivlants show.

...To be sure it's better to check the spec's on the Motorcraft site

Motorcraft's site doesn't show detailed info that I could find.
Wix shows that their equivalent DOES have the valve, also these vehicles use it (in case you're at Tractor Supply and find it cheaper)...

Applications for part 51773

Make Model Engine
ANTONIO CARRARO+Tractors 118.4 w / Perkins 6.372 Engine
BRAUD+Equipment 605 w / Perkins 6.354 Engine
BRAUD+Equipment 605 w / Perkins 6.372 Engine
BRAUD+Equipment 605 w / Perkins T6.354 Engine
BRAUD+Equipment 640 w / Perkins Engine
BRAUD+Equipment 700 w / Perkins Engine
BRAUD+Equipment 701 w / Perkins 6.354 Engine
BRAUD+Equipment 701 w / Perkins 6.372 Engine
BRAUD+Equipment 701 w / Perkins T6.354 Engine
BRAUD+Equipment 801 w / Perkins 6.354 Engine
BRAUD+Equipment 801 w / Perkins 6.372 Engine
BRAUD+Equipment 801 w / Perkins T6.354 Engine
DAEWOO+Excavators DH170 w / Perkins 1006-6HR Engine
DAEWOO+Excavators DH170W w / Perkins 1006-6HR Engine
EAGLE+Tugs TT10 (Tow Tractor) w / Mitsubishi 6G72 Gas Engine
EAGLE+Tugs TT12 (Tow Tractor) w / Mitsubishi 6G72 Gas Engine
FORD TRUCKS+Also Refer To Light Truck Section 500 Series w / V8 361 Engine
FORD TRUCKS+Also Refer To Light Truck Section 550 Series w / V8 361 Engine
FORD TRUCKS+Also Refer To Light Truck Section 600 Series w / Ford V8 370 (6.1L) Engine
FORD TRUCKS+Also Refer To Light Truck Section 600 Series w / Ford V8 429 (7.0L) Engine
FORD TRUCKS+Also Refer To Light Truck Section 600 Series w / V8 361 Engine
FORD TRUCKS+Also Refer To Light Truck Section 600 Series w / V8 389 Engine
FORD TRUCKS+Also Refer To Light Truck Section 6000 Series w / V8 361 Engine
FORD TRUCKS+Also Refer To Light Truck Section 700 Series w / Ford V8 370 (6.1L) Engine
FORD TRUCKS+Also Refer To Light Truck Section 700 Series w / Ford V8 429 (7.0L) Engine
FORD TRUCKS+Also Refer To Light Truck Section 700 Series w / V8 361 Engine
FORD TRUCKS+Also Refer To Light Truck Section 700 Series w / V8 389 Engine
FORD TRUCKS+Also Refer To Light Truck Section 750 Series w / V8 361 Engine
FORD TRUCKS+Also Refer To Light Truck Section 750 Series w / V8 389 Engine
FORD TRUCKS+Also Refer To Light Truck Section 800 Series w / Ford V8 370 (6.1L) Engine
FORD TRUCKS+Also Refer To Light Truck Section 800 Series w / Ford V8 429 (7.0L) Engine
FORD TRUCKS+Also Refer To Light Truck Section 800 Series w / V8 361 Engine
FORD TRUCKS+Also Refer To Light Truck Section 800 Series w / V8 389 Engine
FORD TRUCKS+Also Refer To Light Truck Section B600 w / Ford V8 370 (6.1L) Engine
FORD TRUCKS+Also Refer To Light Truck Section B600 w / Ford V8 429 (7.0L) Engine
FORD TRUCKS+Also Refer To Light Truck Section B600 w / V8 361 Engine
FORD TRUCKS+Also Refer To Light Truck Section B700 w / Ford V8 370 (6.1L) Engine
FORD TRUCKS+Also Refer To Light Truck Section B700 w / Ford V8 429 (7.0L) Engine
FORD TRUCKS+Also Refer To Light Truck Section C600 w / Ford V8 370 (6.1L) Engine
FORD TRUCKS+Also Refer To Light Truck Section C600 w / V8 389 Engine
FORD TRUCKS+Also Refer To Light Truck Section C700 w / Ford V8 370 (6.1L) Engine
FORD TRUCKS+Also Refer To Light Truck Section C700 w / Ford V8 429 (7.0L) Engine
FORD TRUCKS+Also Refer To Light Truck Section C800 w / Ford V8 370 (6.1L) Engine
FORD TRUCKS+Also Refer To Light Truck Section C800 w / Ford V8 429 (7.0L) Engine
FORD TRUCKS+Also Refer To Light Truck Section F600 w / Ford V8 370 (6.1L) Engine
FORD TRUCKS+Also Refer To Light Truck Section F600 w / Ford V8 429 (7.0L) Engine
FORD TRUCKS+Also Refer To Light Truck Section F600 w / V8 361 Engine
FORD TRUCKS+Also Refer To Light Truck Section F700 w / Ford V8 370 (6.1L) Engine
FORD TRUCKS+Also Refer To Light Truck Section F700 w / Ford V8 429 (7.0L) Engine
FORD TRUCKS+Also Refer To Light Truck Section F700 w / V8 361 Engine
FORD TRUCKS+Also Refer To Light Truck Section F700 w / V8 389 Engine
FORD TRUCKS+Also Refer To Light Truck Section F7000 w / Ford V8 370 (6.1L) Engine
FORD TRUCKS+Also Refer To Light Truck Section F7000 w / V8 361 Engine
FORD TRUCKS+Also Refer To Light Truck Section F750 w / V8 361 Engine
FORD TRUCKS+Also Refer To Light Truck Section F800 w / Ford V8 370 (6.1L) Engine
FORD TRUCKS+Also Refer To Light Truck Section F800 w / Ford V8 429 (7.0L) Engine
FORD TRUCKS+Also Refer To Light Truck Section L800 w / Ford V8 370 (6.1L) Engine
FORD TRUCKS+Also Refer To Light Truck Section L800 w / Ford V8 429 (7.0L) Engine
FORD TRUCKS+Also Refer To Light Truck Section LN600 w / Ford V8 370 (6.1L) Engine
FORD TRUCKS+Also Refer To Light Truck Section LN700 w / Ford V8 370 (6.1L) Engine
FORD TRUCKS+Also Refer To Light Truck Section LN700 w / Ford V8 429 (7.0L) Engine
FORD TRUCKS+Also Refer To Light Truck Section LN800 w / Ford V8 370 (6.1L) Engine
FORD TRUCKS+Also Refer To Light Truck Section LN800 w / Ford V8 429 (7.0L) Engine
HESSTON+Windrowers 8100 w / Iveco Diesel Engine
HESSTON+Windrowers 8200 w / Iveco Diesel Engine
HYDREMA+Loaders 800 w / Perkins 4.248 Engine
HYDREMA+Loaders 805 w / Perkins 4.248 Engine
HYDREMA+Loaders 807 w / Perkins 4.248 Engine
HYDREMA+Loaders 808 w / Perkins 1004.4T Engine
HYDREMA+Loaders 808 w / Perkins 4.248 Engine
HYDREMA+Loaders 808S w / Perkins 1004.4T Engine
HYDREMA+Loaders 808T w / Perkins 1004.4T Engine
HYDREMA+Loaders 905 w / Perkins Engine
HYDREMA+Loaders 906 w / Perkins Engine
HYDREMA+Loaders 918 w / Perkins Engine
J.C.B. (J C BAMFORD)+Backhoes/Fastrac/Loaders/SkidSteers 114 w / Perkins T6.354 Engine
J.C.B. (J C BAMFORD)+Backhoes/Fastrac/Loaders/SkidSteers 1750 w / Perkins T6.354 Engine
KOEHRING+Excavators T644 w / Ford V8 370 Gas Engine
KOMATSU+Excavators PC120-5K S/N K20001 w / Perkins 1004-4T Engine
KOMATSU+Excavators PC150-5K To S/N K20000 w / Perkins 1004-4T Engine
LONG (BMC/NUFFIELD)+Tractors 2360 w / Diesel Engine
LONG (BMC/NUFFIELD)+Tractors 2460 w / Diesel Engine
LONG (BMC/NUFFIELD)+Tractors 2510 w / Diesel Engine
LONG (BMC/NUFFIELD)+Tractors 2610 w / Diesel Engine
LONG (BMC/NUFFIELD)+Tractors 360 w / D124 Diesel Engine
LONG (BMC/NUFFIELD)+Tractors 460DT w / 3 Cyl. Diesel Engine
MASSEY-FERGUSON+Dozers, Loaders MF400 w / Perkins A6.354 Engine
MASSEY-FERGUSON+Dozers, Loaders MF44B w / Perkins A6.354 Engine
MASSEY-FERGUSON+Swathers 655 w / Gas Engine
MASSEY-FERGUSON+Tractors MF1100 w / Gas Engine
MASSEY-FERGUSON+Tractors MF44 w / Perkins A6.354 Engine
MASSEY-FERGUSON+Tractors MF450 w / Perkins Engine
MASSEY-FERGUSON+Tractors MF450S w / Perkins Engine
MILLER ELECTRIC+Arc Welders 55D w / Continental Engine
OLIVER+Tractors 1600 w / Gas Engine
OLIVER+Tractors 1600D w / Diesel Engine
OLIVER+Tractors 1650 w / Gas Engine
OLIVER+Tractors 1655 w / Gas Engine
OLIVER+Tractors 1750 w / Gas Engine
OLIVER+Tractors 1755 w / Gas Engine
OLIVER+Tractors 1800 Series A w / Diesel Engine
OLIVER+Tractors 1800C w / Diesel Engine
OLIVER+Tractors 1800D w / Diesel Engine
OLIVER+Tractors 1855 w / Gas Engine
VOLKSWAGEN EUROVAN L5 2.5L 2480cc
VOLVO+Loaders LM621 w / Volvo D42 Engine
VOLVO+Loaders LM622 w / Volvo D42 Engine
VOLVO+Loaders LM622 w / Volvo D45 Engine
VOLVO+Loaders LM641 w / Volvo D42 Engine
VOLVO+Loaders LM642 w / Volvo D42 Engine
VOLVO+Loaders LM642 w / Volvo D45 Engine
VOLVO+Loaders P654 w / Volvo D47B Engine
VOLVO+Loaders P654 w / Volvo D50A Engine
VOLVO+Tractors T600 w / Diesel Engine
VOLVO+Tractors T616 w / Diesel Engine
VOLVO-PENTA+Marine D29A/200 w / Bolinder Munktell Engine
VOLVO-PENTA+Marine D32A/250D w / Bolinder Munktell Engine
VOLVO-PENTA+Marine D32A/270D w / Bolinder Munktell Engine
WHITE+Farm Tractors +--Also See Agco 4-180 w / Caterpillar 3208 Engine

 

[jamyers]

Plus, Fram's website shows that their version DOES have the valve, and here is their list of competitor's cross references.


Fram Part Number PH977A
Anti-Drain Valve YES

Competitor Cross Reference

AC-DELCO PF1792
AC-DELCO PF42
AC-DELCO PF881
AC-DELCO PF881F
AGCO 1447031M2
ALLIANCE ABP/N10G-LF699
ALLIANCE ABP/N10G-LF787
ALLIS-CHALMERS 72093963
AMSOIL ASF26
AMSOIL EAO26
AMSOIL SDF26
AQUA POWER 6032
BALDWIN BK6810
BALDWIN BT217
BALDWIN BT237
BALDWIN BT251
BEHRINGER FLUID SYSTEMS, INC 301128
BEHRINGER FLUID SYSTEMS, INC BTC0301128
BIG A 92459
BIG A 92773
BOLINDER-MUNKTELL 6612598
CARCARE OF977A
CARQUEST 85459
CARQUEST 85773
CARRIER TRANSICOLD 30.00323
CARRIER TRANSICOLD 30.00323-00
CARRIER TRANSICOLD 30-00323-00
CATERPILLAR 7W-2326
CENEX CO299
CHAMP LF496
CHAMP PH299
CLARK 960698
COACH GUARD T17-1054
CO-OP PL-299
CO-OP UR-17
COOPERS AZL008
CROSLAND 308
CROSLAND 616
DAEWOO 2474-6018
DELUXE WD-295
DELUXE WD-431
DELUXE WD-601
DEUTSCH D650
DEUTSCH PH299
DONALDSON LFP550299
DONALDSON P550299
DONALDSON P554407
DONALDSON P559046
DONALDSON P559201
DONALDSON P559208
DONALDSON P559211
DONALDSON P559300
DONALDSON P559615
FACET 977
FIAAM FT4805
FILTERS INCORPORATED OF977
FLEETGUARD LF3580
FLEETGUARD LF697
FLEETGUARD LF699
FLEETGUARD LF787
FLEETGUARD MK13094
FLEETRITE LFR-8697
FLEETRITE LFR-8699
FLEETRITE LFR-8787
FLEETRITE MKR85
FORD D2NN-6714-C
FORD D3HF-6714-AA
FORD D3HZ-6731-B
FOX FARM EQUIPMENT 2654347
GEHL 079756
GENERAL MOTORS 25010130
GENERAL MOTORS 5579970
GENERAL MOTORS 6439681
GENERAL MOTORS 7984292
GONHER GP31
GONHER GP31M
GRAND PRIX PH299
GUD Z45
HASTINGS LF426
HASTINGS LF434
HASTINGS LF496
HUTCHEN SF-18
HYSTER 1327905
HYSTER 245908
HYSTER 3000870
JIFFY LUBE HL977A
KRALINATOR L141
LINDE 26-543-153
LUBER-FINER LFP2292
LUBER-FINER LFP299
LUBER-FINER LK106CR
LUBER-FINER PH299
MANN W 950/7
MANN & HUMMEL W9.50 7
MANN & HUMMEL W9.50/7
MANN & HUMMEL W950/5
MANN & HUMMEL W950/7
MASSEY-FERGUSON 1034065-M91
MASSEY-FERGUSON 1034065-M92
MASSEY-FERGUSON 1446675-M91
MASSEY-FERGUSON 1447031-M1
MASSEY-FERGUSON 2654407
MASSEY-FERGUSON 881446-M91
MASTER PARTS PH-299
MAXI-BILT 977A
MELROE 960698B
MIGHTY M299
MOPAR L-312
MOTORCRAFT FL 299
MOTORCRAFT FL 299-FP
MOTORCRAFT FL 405
NAPA 1459
NAPA 1773
NELSON 85060-A
NEW HOLLAND 505062
PERKINS 2654347
PERKINS 2654401
PERKINS 2654407
PHILLIPS 66 P459
PHILLIPS 66 WO1773
PROMATCH 973352
PURFLUX LS154A
PURFLUX LS453A
PUROLATOR L40017
PUROLATOR L40107
QUAKER STATE QS977A
SERVICE 1 L40017
SERVICE 1 OF40017
SIERRA 18-7887
TECFIL TFPS675
UNOCAL OF1773
VALVOLINE L977
VM 4 115 0066 A
VM 4-115-066
VM AH-11018-01
VME 11998008-4
VOLVO 11998008-4
VOLVO 6612598
WALMI WS-977
WARNER PH299
WHITE 155618-A
WHITE 31-2752257
WHITE 730341
WIX 51459
WIX 51773
WIX 51773MP

 

[jamyers]

Or you can go to your local parts place and ask for one to fit a '94 VW Eurovan w/ a 2.5 engine... $11 and gone.

(ok, ok, I'm going back to work now....)

 

[JackFish]

WIX 51773
WIX 51773MP

I'm wondering about what the MP means.

 

[wsa111]

WIX 51773
WIX 51773MP

I'm wondering about what the MP means.

MP is the master package which contails 12 filters rather than a single filter. Bill

 

[JackFish]

WIX 51773
WIX 51773MP

I'm wondering about what the MP means.

MP is the master package which contails 12 filters rather than a single filter. Bill

 

[jamyers]

...and our wives think the internet is just for wasting time... :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: