Low profile air cleaner on a 250

[CoupeBoy]

I wanted to post this for Chad, he was saying that he has engine height clearance issues with the 250 in this Early Bronco.



I don't really recall what that aircleaner is off of, but that 250 is sitting at my Dad's house in the back of the barn. But with the short air cleaner height it might be one to look for to keep the height down a little bit. Yes, there is straw in the barn.. it is a barn after all...

-ron

 

[chad]

I don't usually go to the "table of contents" for the forum but saw this...thanks Ron
Sorry to use this adjective but the pic is....priceless....

Didn;t think it wuz a 250 but that's what the title sez, can't C it too well - eyes R gettin old (the rest o me is quite young, tho, acourse!) lotta hoses hangin offa it...

Never saw an AC like that (Pinto?, nah, never 250 equiped...)

Mine has a '68 car engine 170 some 1 put in pre my purchase (in '83 - got 2 dipsticks: 1 in pan [bronk] 1 in regular place [falcon?]). The carb hits the hood - the threaded peg that holds the AC on has dimpled the hood - it's got an outtie! The oe AC sits out on a peg beside the exhaust manif. w/sheet metal going over the VC to attach the ac/it's element to the carter YF. Not sure this AC came w/this motor. Any 1 ID it just from this description? The hood mashes the sheet metal onto the carb so I took it off so as not to destroy either. Hada take out the 'peg' too. And this is after replacin all the body mounts (in '84). I thought in it's rusty condition it had settled onto the motor. but Nooohah, no 'easy solution'. Anyway this is what had me worried bout swapin in the 250 (higher deck). Folks on here and the bronk site said: "1 inch body lift", "slot the Maverick towers", "pan mod". We'll C, meanwhile - collect parts, save money (wait those R opposites w/MY income), continue the research, plan, etc, etc

 

[Asa]

I think I have one of those sitting around somewhere... I pulled it off of a Jeep or International something I think.

 

[chad]

my fingers R startin 2 tingle - 30 yrs of tryin 2 ID this AC housing...
(not very vigorously, tho - still curious I tell ya now)

The under flange of the ac arm pretty well fits the top of the air horn 4 the YF, kinda hard 2 tell exactly since it was mashed a bit. Some day U will get a pic cuz yer the 1st more solid bite. ASA, would you take a look if I sent it?
/OR/
Do U have a pic handy to post here?

 

[Asa]

What are you gonna send? Pics of the air filter? Yeah man, I've got no problem lookin, no clue if I can actually help though.

I might have it here, actually, however I think it's hiding in my sister's shed 4 hours away.

 

[chad]

What are you gonna send? Pics of the air filter? Yeah man, I've got no problem lookin, no clue if I can actually help though.
I might have it here, actually, however I think it's hiding in my sister's shed 4 hours away.

No rush - I mean 30 yrs already...
; - )
Some day -
Not the filter, what holds it. I guess it would B called an air cleaner housing.
No biggie, if U run across it AND think about me/the site

chrlsful@aol.com

Later Gater!

 

[Asa]

I'm gonna send the pics to my dad and see if he spots the air-cleaner next time he visits my sis.

Another thing you could check, when Addo shipped me the 250-2V I have it had a factory air cleaner on it, the element is nothing huge, 10" OD I think, about 1-2" tall, but the air cleaner is actually dropped down an inch at least. Might take a bit more effort to find one of those, but it might help.

 

[CoupeBoy]

The engine I posted has a 4 bolt water pump, it's hard to see in the pics I posted.

Your air cleaner description sounds "right" for a bronco. Maybe one of the other bronco owners can chime in.

 

[Asa]

Also, the day I pulled that style air cleaner I was looking for a YF carb off a truck for the Mustang

And lookie what I found when googling "offbeat ford air cleaner carburetor"

Caption on the original page said it was an '81 F-series

 

[Asa]

Yup, looks like you're looking for something from an '80-ish F100 with a 300ci I6.

Like I said, I know I have one, but maybe that'll help you find one a lil quicker than what I have somewhere

There are at least two pics in this thread of various years
http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/84533 ... -days.html

 

[chad]

I'm gonna send the pics to my dad and see if he spots the air-cleaner next time he visits my sis.
Another thing you could check, when Addo shipped me the 250-2V I have it had a factory air cleaner on it, the element is nothing huge, 10" OD I think, about 1-2" tall, but the air cleaner is actually dropped down an inch at least. Might take a bit more effort to find one of those, but it might help.

Yeah, a 'drop base' I think it's called. No, this 1 is not that - where the base of the AC housing is dented UP so the element sits"around" the top of the air horn.

"...sounds "right" for a bronco..."
U got it Ron. If I do the other 3 mods I think it'll fit the 250 fine. THIS option still needs 1/2 - 1 inch carb/hood space, tho. Fella on here in my state may send me an RBS which is low (has a higher flow rate for tq., what I want NOT hp) & the 5 mods should work fine.

ASA - I scanned all 3 pages in your FTE link - no pic (that's my other site, I use this 1, FTE & classic bronks, same handle chrlsful/chad). That in pic U have would not fit either. Does look weird, eh?
Yeah, FTEsite - "200. 250. 300/4.9"forum my fave. They should have 170 & 144 in their listing due to bronk & 1st econoline havin those motors & bein ford trucks but they don't. Did U guys know a truck had the 200? Name it if U can.

 

[powerband]

With my carb swaps , the lowest clearance conventional AC was off Maverick tall YF OEM setup, the OEM 250 used RBS with not as low AC.

Cut for H/W5200 on top of 2Bbl adapter:

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[chad]

Thanks (2 another Nor'Easter).

I'm not quite following your sentences but would agree the YF is quite tall. (giving me a hassle now). I'll C if I get the RBS but think it a lill taller than an 1100 (both THE lowest rise I know for the sm. 6 engines).

Your 1st pic is what I'd call a "drop base style" - I will have 1/2 - 1 inch I assume (& that could be way off, but what I'll shoot for as ideal, think I'll get more). Don't think it would work. Ron has the idea that will I'm assuming.

 

[chad]

"...the lowest clearance conventional AC was off Maverick tall YF..."
What yr & motor? I assume a YF carb...


"...Cut for H/W5200 on top of 2Bbl adapter..."
If that is the 1st of the 2 pic I'd say it's 4 inches high? What is the inner diamiter of the area that meets the carb (ie bottom hole in air cleaner base)?

Thanks PB (what I meant by another Nor'Easter - dat's you).

 

[Asa]

I was thinking about this earlier today. What do your motor mounts look like? If there is room you might be able to drill another pair of holes and let it sit lower.

 

[chad]

Thanks Asa.
It looks like a triple or double metal bracket sitting on a 2 - 21/2 inch thick rubber pad.
Very similar to the 1 I'm calling Maverick, there is a metal "L" but it has a deep flange all the way around it (not a simple L but w/a 1/4" edge). Then that seems set inside another "perimeter" bracket that has a similar profile, being set in a final one. The motor mounts/towers may have come with the car engine that now sits in the bronk placed in there pre '83 when I bought this EB. We torched off the V8 'towers' off just a yr. or 2 ago (no, may B 8 yrs.) to put the body and runnin gear on the '77. Took the engine/transm. (170/3.03) out as a unit (from the '70) & just set it in the heaver duty frame, covered the whole thing w/the '70 body (new body mounts). Also has the older "T" style transfer c. from the '70. These things have no cross member till U get back to the transfer case. Motor sets on a L & R 'finger' like some chebbies. Oh, wait, there is another x-member the crank pulley almost touches. Hope the 250's higher. (Not sure how the other guys doing this delt w/that or if it's even problematic.)

These could B 'slotted' a lill, but only 1/8 -1/4 inch, not enuff I don't believe. I think I need 2 - 3 inches. Another wonderful ford 6 member is sending an RBS so that'll B lower than the YF on the 170. Not sure what sits on the '69 250 but believe it's stock...an autolite 1100? (if so a lill lower but sacrifices the RBS's extra low rev tq)? It's all very slo due to X, $, tools, space, expertise.

 

[CoupeBoy]

So, I went out and searched ebay for early broncos (still hope to have one some day) but I was looking for pictures of the air cleaners and the engine bays to take a look at the motor mounts. I found 2 EBs with sixes. The factory ones really are low profile, but slightly different than the one I posted.



This last one is a good shot that shows both, it really is a good photo, it shows what is normally bolt on frame mounts for a unibody are actually part of the frame on a EB. To me these look like standard old motor mounts like I have on the 1967 200/C4 sitting on my shop floor. But be danged if O'Reily's or Napa will give me any part number.

And upclose


RockAuto.com gave me this part number, but the picture they have is of a standard looking V8 part..
DEA Part # A2319

Here's a company called Wild Horses that has a stock mount
http://www.wildhorses4x4.com/product/6- ... tor_Mounts

They also have extreme heavy duty ones ($139.99)
http://www.wildhorses4x4.com/product/Ex ... tor_Mounts


Looks just like this one for a '66 Mustang 200
http://www.autopartsnetwork.com/catalog ... l:Mustang_

Westar - Engine Mount
Front Left
Fits Your 1966 Ford Mustang
Part # EM-2226

so... it looks like for a Bronco you should be OK using the stock mounts, and slotting the mounts by grinding on the bottom of the bolt holes. I've got one more idea, but it will be easier to build then to try and explain.. so give me a couple days.

Separate from that, the extreme motor mount pictured above has my thinker working...
-ron

 

[Asa]

Separate from that, the extreme motor mount pictured above has my thinker working...
-ron

Before Harrie started to rip off members, I ended up with a set of stainless motor mounts from him that look exactly like that, with the exception that they had a provision for a drop mount.
http://i.imgur.com/JsRHF.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/TIjAE.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/xoaka.jpg
Passed the pics on to Mike a while back as he said he was thinking about starting to fabricate and carry them.

 

[CoupeBoy]

I like harrie's design, but I plan on making a couple changes for mine. And unfortunately I don't have access to stainless steel.

 

[Asa]

Being European he made the threads Metric


I might be concerned with side to side weakness, but that would be about the only concern I might have. What sort of changes are you gonna do? I like that it was made with leaf-spring bushings.